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christianity is for the foolish, the ignorant and the scared
^ this
You mispelled religion.
You mispelled “misspelled”
So did you? Wat.
Yuo misspelled what.
You misspelled “R*peman”.
C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!
Ju Mizpelld dat praser thang up dar
you spelled ewe wrong
Sowwy.
You misspelt ‘sorry’
Sorry misspelled you
Mspelt isn’t a word.
You misspelled the fake word “Misspelt”
Pissmelt
You forgot to say that he misspelled “Misspelt” in your “Pissmelt” sentens
Sounds good
i like turtles
Actually, misspelt is a word. The Americans say ‘misspelled’ therefore ‘spelled’, ‘dreamed’, ‘smelled’ etc. Seeing as I’m English and speak English, not American, I will say the ENGLISH words ‘spelt’, ‘dreamt’ and ‘smelt’.
…you missed how he misspelet sentince.
OK, Melvin.
No it’s people who are so lazy that they can’t even speak right who say stuff like that. Not us Amercans. (Note: yes some idiots in America do spell/say those words like that. However that doesn’t mean all Americans do.)
yo we hear you like to correct, so we put an incorrect in your correct, so you can correct while you correct.
Now it’s correct.
peanuts
You misspelled “the game”
Really?? that’s awfully nice, don’t see many religions or people who are nice enough give time for the foolish, ignorant and scared….i think i might convert!
Bronyism
No, he/she didn’t misspell.
Yeah, they are synonyms after all.
Not really.
**really
***not really
I’m pretty sure that when someone with a r34 gravatar says something about this topic, he’d know the diffrence. Especially when we talk about Bendy.
Bronies = regular people who enjoy watching MLP:FIM. People seem too stupid to realize this
Exactly. It’s not like that, when you watch a reality show casting a few children, you’re a pedofile.
One is having sex with animals. The other is likeing a show whose cast consists of animals.
It’s like saying that liking zombie movies makes you a necrophiliac. That liking robot movies makes you mean that want to have sex with a running car engine. And that is mild analysis…
No that’s a /b/rony, not a brony.
+9001 internets
its over 9000!!!!
It’s not a religion
In my religion we worship the sun goddess Celestia and the moon goddess Luna, thank you very much
That’s…uh…kinda weird, but to each his own, I guess.
The only true religion is Kopimism…nuff said
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Copy and seed.
you spelled paste wrong.
You missed spelled humanity.
this
So is that you in the picture then?
Only bashing the one religion it’s a-ok to bash makes you a hypocrite and quite possibly a bed-wetter.
people bash the main religion in their respective region. In America, it’s christianity, but in other countries, the minority will bash whatever religion is the mainstream
Please tell me you’ve experienced this first hand and aren’t just talking out of your ass.
FALSE, Christianity it the most persecuted religion in the world. In Arab countries Christians (the severe minority) get constantly attacked by Muslims. They are also getting attacked in India (if you don’t believe me look it up, which your pride will probably prevent you from doing) So if you are anything like the hippie, hating Christians, you are the majority.
….while what you say is true about persecution…….i don’t exactly see how Santan’s “people bash the main religion in thier respection region” is false.
What does “thier respection region” mean? In English, please?
Well I was actually referring to the latter part of his comment, I should have clarified that.
How can Christians be persecuted in the west where they are the staggering majority? It’s even more puzzling considering that Christianity is heavily involved in the public sector. Ever heard of a president who wasn’t Christian? What about the GOP and its roots in the Christian right?
To quote the Bible (1 John 4:18): “There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.”
What this means is to stop feeling butthurt every time a policy or an idea that doesn’t cater to your religion is implemented.
^this, but Christians still get harassed.
You used the wrong “rite” and Christianity is persecuted by people who constantly make fun of it while avoiding other religions. The TV show 30 Rock has the character Kenneth, a typical fundamentalist protestant male, and they continuously make him out to be a weak, stupid, impotent person with serial killer-like tendencies and gullibility through the roof. In that same show, they never make fun of Muslims, Jews, or even Buddhists.
The show Community also exclusively makes fun of Christians. They too have the character Shirley Bennett who is a and is portrayed as a gossip who forces her beliefs onto everyone else. Again, I am not aware of a single episode where they make fun of Muslims, Jews, or any other religion.
As for Christians involved in the public sector, yes there are lobbyists, however I would not consider any politician a true Christian, especially considering some of the other things they have said or hinted at to get votes.
1John 4:17 says “In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this world we are like him.” This is the verse right before the one you quoted, and it shows the context in which John is saying that. The fear referred to is a fear of eternal damnation. John is telling us not to be afraid because Jesus paid the price for our sins. The reason we do feel “butthurt” as you put it is because these policies are either morally wrong, foolish, or insulting to God and all He has done for us.
I would like to know how a god (which by definition doesn’t exist) has been able to do something other than generate a laugh to anyone.
Which definition, please?
Have you tried looking around you? How about creating your existence from nothing. Oh, you want an all-powerful being to come to YOU and prove himself? Whether or not you’re religious, pride is not a habit you want to cultivate.
So then, by your definition, is God not a part of existence?
Are you admitting he doesn’t exist?
Do you seriously think there isn’t any kind of superior being? Dumb ass….
yeah, but 30 rock is hilarious
Yeeeeeh like Muslims neeeeever get attacked here…
They don’t.
Oh please! Just cause you havent heard of it doesnt mean it doesnt happen. Trust me, it happens!
Please read “Martyr’s Mirror.
Muslims do get attacked yes. what people are saying is Christianity always seems to be the main religion to get attacked. and not all christians are scared, ignorent and foolish like some people say. You walk down a street and you hear a muslim/christian./jew joke. they are everywhere. but when it comes to people demmanding new rights or protesting they always seem to be attacking chrstians. here in canada we are so leanient to every religion but the Christians are still looked down becouse of select few that don’t agree with what everyone else does. not all christians are homophobes (my best friend has had sex with a girl with me in the room (it was a birthday party)) Not all Christians are obsest with keeping things the way they are and not all christians hate every other religion (i am the only christian in my group of friends. there is a jew, a few pegans and many other religions. we’re all fine with eachother)
Attacked? How extreme. Mocked is the word. If Christianity wasn’t shoved down so many people’s throats. then it wouldn’t be like this. It’s just how life works.
Way to take the words literally. You know very well what (I’m assuming she) meant when they say attacked. And Christianity isn’t “shoved down people’s throats.” It just happens to be the dominate religion in America. Sure, you have the radicals who go overboard, but they are the extreme minority. But if it weren’t Christianity, it would be a different religion, and you would have a problem with that one as well. And yes, it is just how life works. Meaning, people don’t have to agree with each other’s opinions. You can at least respect people’s life decisions. Get over yourself.
The religions of atheism and liberalism are the ones that are shoved down people’s throats. Their main opponent is Christianity, and they can not rest until Christianity is extinguished. You are part of that – whether willingly or unwittingly is neither here nor there; you drank the Kool-Aid and now shout the same complete and utter fallacy, the liberal fantasy, that Christians are evil, backward, stupid, and trying to convert everyone. The irony of the situation (that it is people like you who are everything you say the other side is, and doing what you accuse them of) is truly staggering.
“The religions of atheism and liberalism…”
Not sure if trolling, or just stupid.
…or probably just right.
hey guess what, atheism is a religion… maybe you should have finished high school… Christianity is not a religion, it is an institution of God!
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i was just about to say the same
You realize that the people who “shove it down your throat” mean well right? Because they care about you.
Yeah, I tried to hold similar, accepting beliefs when I was a Christian. I later realized that in order to be accepting of other people, I had to reject much of what was in the Bible. So now I’m just me. No religion attached.
Yipeeyahoo i agree. i’ve never read the bible so i pretty much compleatly dissregard it. dosn’t make me any less of a christian
“i’ve never read the bible… dosn’t make me any less of a christian”
ORLY.
Being a Christian without reading the Bible? If you were a true Christian, you would realize that the Bible is the word of God, and therefore, you’re missing all of the important info and lessons that He wants us to know.
I haven’t read the Bible but I have been baptized, there far I am christian. I have one thing very clear about Jesus, “A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
Thus, I understand that if I do so, I’ll have the right to enter heaven and the right to have love and respect from others at Earth.
Well do you know the Jesus as your savior? Have you asked for him to come into your heart and to forgive you of your sins?
Pssh, Catholics, believing that bathing can forgive sins.
How can you be a Christian without knowing who Christ was? Don’t subscribe to anyone’s opinions of what Christ is or should be: read the Bible and learn who he REALLY is. Study the original hebrew and greek. Not reading the Bible not only makes you less of a Christian, it makes you not a Christian at all.
Vivekananda: “See Christ, then you are a Christian; all else is talk.”
It kind of sounds like you and your friends are bad at being religious. Give it up!
yes, becouse we get along even with religious differences we are failures at being religous…wtf is wrong with you?
You either don’t care if your friends go to hell, you are not christian, or you try to shove your beliefs down their throats .
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Acting “religious” can sometimes be worse than just believing. I read the Bible, go to church every Sunday, and even attend Bible study during the week, but I still don’t call myself “religious” or even a Christian. Just a disciple of Christ (especially since Jesus was a jew, not a Christian, obviously). When someone gets so wrapped up in their traditions and religious gatherings that they forget who they’re doing it for (God), what’s the point? You’ll only be blinded, and ironically, not a genuine believer. I try to be careful with the knowledge I gain, otherwise grow conceded.
Agreed
being a “disciple of Christ” pretty much makes you christian, but you refuse to call yourself that, i suppose you could maybe be Jewish,but thats a pretty dif religion.
Outstanding. Finally someone I can agree with. The word Christian is tainted. It used to actually mean something, and wasn’t a self righteous club you joined to make yourself feel better. Deny yourself and take up your cross, and follow Him. That’s a true Christian, not these posers who go around judging everything they disagree with. They are closer to the Pharisees that Christ fought against.
Good point sir or ma’am.
I agree. I’m a Christian, but I think it’s perfectly fine for other people to follow their own faiths if that’s what they believe in. Forcing other people to convert just isn’t right, in my opinion.
Everything gets bashed.
so, are you just trolling? because this is the internet, after all. Pics or it didn’t happen.
Yes trust INTERNET guy Francis. He’s totally reliable….
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeah..
It’s easier to believe that many, many white men with pointy hats got together and wrote a huge book and called it “the religion of GOD” than it is to believe there’s 72 virgins in heaven.
Plus, Muslims are minority. Minority is alwaaaaaaaaays discriminated against. Even if minority is amazing perfect people. Their flaw? They are the 1%!
Did you just say Muslims are perfect? My, what a big ego you seem to have!
Nothing against Muslims, however. I’m a Christian and some of my best friends throughout my lifetime were/are Muslims. I just have something against arrogant pricks who say one religion’s followers are “perfect” and bash other religions.
Obviously I also disapprove of Christians saying they’re “perfect” as well. That flies in the face of the basic concept of Christianity, that Christ came to save the IMperfect, ie. everyone. No one is perfect.
Also, as a brony, I also have to say, though this has pretty much been settled already, but the brony community actually usually disapproves of r34 stuff. Don’t hold the entire group accountable for the actions of a few, alright?
Thank-you!
Did you just Muslims are a minority? You do realize there is an estimated 1.5 billion – 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. Hmm…
You have no idea in Hell what you are talking about do you?
men with pointy hats? Muslims… MINORITY?!
just wow
“White men with pointy hats?”
Do you mean the bishops who compiled the Christian Bible in the 300′s? They were hardly all white. They were black, Ethiopian, and Middle-Eastern. There wasn’t a single white man among them at that point (considering that the European pagans were just then beginning to see Christian missionaries).
A little research is a good thing. You should probably do it from time to time.
The bible was compiled on the Roman Emporer’s order. Rome was the seat of power of Christianity after the Empire was converted to it. That’s why the top of the food chain is in Italy today and terms like “Holy Roman Emporer” exist. So… yeah, they were white. Sorry.
No pointy hats though.
You’re comparing the treatment of christians in the middle east to the treatment of muslims here in the US? Let me guess, you also think Bush was behind 9-11, all white people are racists – except the ones that agree with you of course and anyone that doesn’t agree with you must be a right-wing zealot and belongs to a neo-nazi group.
In muslim countries, christians are murdered, beaten in public, sometimes their limbs are hacked off with machetes, their homes are burned to the ground and christian pastors are hung in public squares while children are watching. Why? Simply because of their religious beliefs. When’s the last time that happened here? Yeah, I didn’t think so. That’s what marijuana and a semester at a liberal college will do to ya. Good luck at the occupy events, maybe you’ll even get on tv. Dude, wouldn’t that be cool?!?!? Loser!
I love how you fought his ignorance really well, then s*at it all in the end with a little ignorance of your own.
Oh wow, this is easily the funniest post I’ve ever read.
Hats off to you, sir. Here, take all my internets.
in china you can get executed if you have a bible. only in very few areas are preachers that are authorized to have one. people die all the time over Christianity…
Sadly, this is true… I read about it in… My.. Catholic group? I guess that’s the best possible name for it. One of the leaders in the 1600s I believe, banned Christianity, and it wasn’t “legally” allowed until the late 19th century, and even then, the above comment is true.
In Soviet Russia Christians (as well as other religions) were persecuted. In the name of Atheism, I’m just getting a little tired of Atheists not knowing about this and saying that if we were all Atheist then religious persecution would stop.
“In the name of Atheism…”
Are you retarded?
Their actions where not based on the fact that they where atheist, but on the fact that they where power hungry and a state religion would better suit their interests.
Fundamentalist christians, in the other hand…
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html
Also, of course *religious* persecution would stop if we all followed the same religion, genius (atheism is not a religion, by the way).
re·li·gion noun
1. The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods.
2. Details of belief as taught or discussed.
Note the second definition. A belief that the universe is ordered and structured based on mathematics physics and sciences is still a belief in the strictest sense of the word.
Yeah, but in erudite eyes it is more an openminded assumption.
Never encountered that approach in any religion
Preachers? And you wonder why all other people hate your religion?
dude ur stupid i lived in Abu Dhabi for 5 years and muslims don’t hate christans though they do have a saying sleep with a Christian and eat with a jew but thats kinda irrelevant but anyways your ignorant
Um… Atheists are put to death in Arab countries.
Non-Christians are persecuted here. Non-Muslims are persecuted there.
Yes Atheists are killed in Arab countries, along with everyone else that isn’t a Muslim. And where is “here” exactly? And by non-Christians do you mean Christians are persecuting those who are not? because I am not aware of a single country that does that.
Uganda.
i must agree on that one
I sorta agree with you but don’t.
The Arabs don’t just hate christians, they hate white people.
The only reason they tolerate whites in their country is because we work for them and spend our money.
Arabs really are fat, lazy s**ts though.
AGREED
“rip it out” ?!?! That sounds painful!
So the constant reports of Christians in India and Pakistan being persecuted and attacked are lies or irrelevant just because you personally haven’t seen that persecution?
So is THAT why Neon Genesis Evangelion was spamming crosses everywhere!
Awwwww, the poor oppressed majority with its persecution complex.
Are Christian billboards vandalized on a regular basis? Do advertising agencies refuse to run Christian ads? Do radio stations refuse to air Christian ads? Do politicians have to hide being Christian lest they jeopardize their career? Do you have to think twice about mentioning your involvement in Christian student organizations in a CV lest it cost you a potential job?
No. Being Christian means, in the US, being part of a large and comfortable majority. All the “bashing” you “suffer” is when people tell you where you crossed a line. When a school teacher uses his position of power to preach his own sectarian belief. When a school board wants to push sectarian belief into the science classroom. When Christians ignore the rights of other- and non-believing minorities.
The problem with that is when the “line” being crossed is arbitrarily set and incorrectly placed. And the last several things you posted in your second paragraph, does that not also work in reverse? Couldn’t a secular position be just as wrong?
Teaching creationism in the classroom = line crossed
Killing/persecuting homosexuals = line crossed
Bombing/boycotting abortion clinics = line crossed
The secular position is the neutral position. It’s like if you have a get together with friends for a sporting event. One person wants to decorate the house for one team the other for the opposing. All we are saying is leave the house bare and wear your respective jersey.
Wait so your throwing everyone into the same boat? I believe in evolution, never treated a homosexual different than any other, and certainly have never bombed an abortion clinic. And in there minds you have crossed the line with teaching evolution, pushing for gay marriage,and legalizing abortion. I just want you to treat everyone on their personal actions and not on their beliefs.
It’s not a persecution complex, if you’d ever been to an Arab country you’d know that.
I could be jailed, as a British citizen, for over ten years simply by admitting I’m a Christian. A European government (which one, I forget) had to actually break two Christians out of Iran because they had been wearing cross necklaces in public, over their clothing.
I’m not able to comment on how it works in America, but I’m fairly certain that athiests are, in fact, in the majority, and I have seen first hand whilst on holiday in Florida humanists ripping into a pair of Christians doing a charity collection and petition.
Plus, in England I’m part of a fairly small minority, and while it’s true to say there are more of us than there are of Hindu’s or Muslim’s, it is also completely true to say that they experience nowhere near the level of harassment and bullying because of their faith. Despite the fact I’m invariably one of the most intelligent people in the room, I’m often called ignorant or devolved because I have a faith, I get called a paedophile (even though I’m not Catholic and that happens to be a very, very small part of the Catholic church that was involved in the scandal), and generally spend a lot of my time arguing against athiests who know very little about my religion and believe me to be inferior. I’ve had TEACHERS harass me, that’s how bad it is.
America isn’t the world. Just because it doesn’t happen there, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen anywhere else.
I used to care what people said in extremely long passages. Then I realize I don’t care what a guy has to say who posts his “critical” opinions On memebase.
Then I took an arrow to the knee.
this
At first I was laughing at this video, but then I took an arrow to the knee.
I’m an Athiest and i’ll flat out say it… There is no point in arguing with an Atheist if you are a Christian. You’ll just get picked apart. Better off “turning the other cheek” or whatever silly things people that are wrong about do.
I’m a Christian, and I’ll just flat out say it… there is no point in arguing with a Christian if you’re an atheist. You’ll get picked apart.
I’ve had hundreds of debates and arguments with atheists, agnostics, liberal Christians (the kind who deny the truth of the Bible, but cling to its morals). I haven’t lost. Invariably, the argument comes down to the facts being on the side of Christianity. The evidence for Jesus’ Resurrection? Solid. The evidence that Bible actually knows what it’s talking about with its history? Solid. The philosophical and theological arguments for God’s existence? Solid.
For the other side, consider the claim being made to call oneself an atheist: you are stating that in all of existence there cannot possibly be anything called God. To make this claim, you would be required to have absolute knowledge of the universe, such that you can say with supreme confidence that no one where in all of the universe (or multiverse) is there a scrap of evidence for God. No human can ever come close to that kind of knowledge; we must always admit that there is far more that we DON’T know, compared to what we do. Given our inherent limitations, we cannot say that God does not exist. It could simply be the case that you haven’t witnessed the evidence yet. Thus, the very term “atheist” is illogical; you lack the required grounds to say conclusively that there is no God.
I do not accept Christianity on blind faith. I have researched extensively the arguments for and against; I have examined other world religions; I have delved into other philosophies. Nothing else comes close to sheer weight of evidence Christianity has behind it. Nothing else explains reality as accurately as Christianity.
To be fair, there are a LOT of abuses of Christianity out there. There are legions of pastors who don’t believe what they’re saying, or who are preaching false ideas, such as the tragic error that we have to behave nicely in order to please God, and if we mess up, God will hate us.
But don’t judge the whole of us based on the mistakes of a few. If you want to know what Christianity is, look at Jesus. Decide based on who He is, not based on how the imperfect Christians in your life fail.
^this (over 9000 times)
>> Says there is no evidence for the non-existence of God.
>> Claims to have solid evidence for the existence of God but doesn’t give it.
Obvious troll is obvious.
I’ll solve this problem for you.
Jesus.
Done!
More detail? Ok!
1) The existence of everything in creation as it is is very very very very unlikely to have happened as some sort of series of random chance events. There are so many complexities that cannot be explained (the main one I think of is human intelligence. Why does it exist?). And yet, at the same time, science shows great consistency. Things follow the same principles everywhere. Note that science can tell us clearly HOW things work, but give no indication as to WHY things work. Science cannot contradict the argument for God
2) Jesus made claims that he was God. He also performed ‘miracles’ (which I emphasise can’t be contradicted by science) to provide evidence for his claims and was witnessed by many doing these things. For Jesus to perform these miracles, in particular the forgiveness of sins and the resurrection of the dead, there is no feasible explanation other than that he was telling the truth.
If that’s your idea of what constitutes evidence, please don’t ever get a job doing something in which actual evidence is important, such as law enforcement or science. Your details above are not evidence, they are poorly constructed arguments which don’t actually prove anything. Evidence should be objective and observable. Here, I’ll give you an example: We have evidence for the big bang. 1. There is cosmic microwave background radiation leftover from the big bang that we have detected and measured 2. The universe is expanding in a way that matches how it should expand if the big bang happened. Experimental models that replicate those conditions have confirmed that over and over again. If you don’t like big bang evidence, I can give you other examples. Psychology and psychiatry have done great work with human intelligence, especially where neurobiology is concerned. We can trace how human intelligence has evolved at the genetic level, down to specific traits, and show how it helped us survive in different environments.
Greetings!
Given that this website is not the most conducive to intellectual debate, allow me to refer you to websites that will make a better presentation of the evidence than I am allowed to do here.
For a very entertaining yet accurate summary of the evidence for Jesus’ resurrection, please visit here: http://marshill.com/media/vintagejesus/did-jesus-rise-from-death
For an excellent summary of notable archaeological discoveries which confirm the Bible’s record of history, please visit here: http://marshill.com/media/vintagejesus/did-jesus-rise-from-death
For a thorough, immaculately researched, brilliant, leading-edge website filled with the philosophical and theological arguments, please visit here: http://www.reasonablefaith.org
For a book based entirely on logic that demonstrates how a supernatural universe is far more probable than a merely natural one, read the book “Miracles” by C.S. Lewis.
I am not a troll; I stand by what I have said. The evidence for Christianity is far and away enough to convince even the hardest skeptic of the truth of Jesus. The problem with most is not the mind, but rather the heart. When presented with the evidence, many will reject it not because it is insufficient, but because they do not want it to be true.
Thank you Kyle, I will definitely take a look and take it into consideration. I just wanted to let you know that I saw your post. I’ll let you know what I think after I take a look, and I appreciate your showing me the other side in a well reasoned manner.
I just realized that my second link was only a copy of the first. I had meant to link here: http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2010/07/top-ten-biblical-discoveries-in-archaeology-10-assyrian-lachish-reliefs/
My apologies
well just because we can scientifically prove the big bang happened doesn’t mean that God wasn’t responsible for it
and if human intelligence is a result of evolution, then why didn’t it happen to any other animals?
Evolution did happen to other animals, evolution just favors our best traits for surviving in the environment we live in. For some animals, that involves developing camouflage or poison. Humans have never really had any nifty traits like that to help us survive. Our best trait has always been our intelligence, which is why our intelligence evolved. Had we had a mutation for something more useful, that would have been the trait that evolved. Environment favors adaptability.
“Thus, the very term “atheist” is illogical; you lack the required grounds to say conclusively that there is no God.”
With that statement, you have proved your lack of understanding of the term “atheist”. Atheism can refer to 2 things:
Explicit Atheism is what you’re thinking of, one who REJECTS the belief of god, and/or believes that no such thing can possibly exist.
However, there’s also Implicit Atheism, which most likely describes the majority of atheists. Implicit Atheism describes one who simply does not believe in any deities, but does not necessarily deny their existence.
I do however describe myself as an Explicit Atheist. I will admit that I have not done much research at all, but I intend to (someday…). But for now, my argument is thus; the mere existence of multiple varieties of Christianity, Catholicism, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Taoism, and Buddhism is enough to prove to me for now that they’re all wrong. They all contradict each other in some way, and there really is no solid way to prove which one is right. You state that Christianity has much more “evidence” behind it than all the other religions you researched. But even in this case, you have no way of knowing the extent to which people went 2000+ years ago to orchestrate the religion that we now know as Christianity. Also keep in mind that no matter how much proof you find, the evidence will always be seen by you through your perception of reality. The same thing goes for me in fact, no matter how much evidence I find to disprove religion, the evidence will always be perceived by me through my take on reality. It is this uncertainty however, that I am using to “prove” atheism. Because no matter how much people will argue over the subject, implicit atheism will always more or less be the default.
The differences between the different denominations are superficial, and very few denominations claim to exclusively hold the truth.
What you call an Implicit atheist is actually being agnostic, but that would be like, ugh, too mainstream so I just make up an ironic name for it that you’ve probably never heard of and use it before it stops being underground.
Zoltan!
What you call an agnostic is actually being an atheist, but it would take too much of your Jersey Shore marathon time to research it.
nice ad hoc.
an atheist, by definition, believes that there is no god–explicitly. A person who acknowledges the possibility of a god simply is not an atheist.
An atheist, by definition, does not believe in a god. I am an atheist, i don’t believe in a god, i also don’t believe there is no god . A person who acknowledges the possibility of a god but do not believe in a god is an atheist (or a weak atheist, if you wish to call it so).
As one commentator has already mentioned, the “implicit atheist” position is more correctly referred to as “agnostic.” The agnostic position can be aptly summarized by what you said; it describes “one who simply does not believe in any deities, but does not necessarily deny their existence.” The word is derived from Greek, with the “a” at the beginning being a negative term, with “gnosis” being the Greek word for “knowledge.” Thus, an agnostic is one who claims we cannot know, or as you have phrased it, one who does not deny but also does not believe.
The term “atheist” is also derived from Greek. The “a” again is a negation, while “theos” is the Greek word for God. Thus, an “atheist” is quite literally one who denies God.
I would ask that you correctly label your own position, in order not to confuse those with whom you are discussing.
How did you get the etymology right but the meaning wrong?
Agnostic Atheist — “I do not know, but I don’t believe.”
Gnostic Atheist — “I know, therefore I don’t believe.”
Agnostic Theist — “I do not know, but I believe.”
Gnostic Theist — “I know, therefore I believe.”
Gnosticism is about what you claim to know. The claim to belief is a separate one.
My meanings are correct. Yours, however, involve a few contradictions.
It is impossible to be an “agnostic atheist,” by simple definition. “Agnostic” means you do not know, but “atheist” is a deliberate stance against the existence of God. In other words, “atheist” means “I know and I reject.” It is therefore a logical contradiction to call oneself someone who does not know, yet knows and rejects.
A “Gnostic Atheist” is simply an atheist. Again, the term “atheist” is a direct statement against the existence of a particular being. To be an atheist, one must claim to know in some way that God does not exist, and be willing to stake their identity on the truth of that claim. It is logically impossible to be an atheist who claims not to know.
An “Agnostic Theist” is a contradiction in terms. You cannot believe in what you do not know. You may believe that you do not know, but that is agnosticism; it is not theism.
A “Gnostic Theist,” again, is simply a theist. You must have some knowledge of a thing in order to believe it. Therefore, to believe in something, you must first claim to know something about it. Every theist is therefore a “gnostic theist.”
In response to your argument based on all the varieties of each religion, allow me to refer back to what I said at the end of my original post.
People are imperfect. People will create splinter groups for a number of reasons, including jealousy, a lust for power, mistaken theological convictions, dissatisfaction with the current leadership, etc. The existence of a variety of religious groups only confirms that people are imperfect; it says nothing about the underlying philosophy and theology.
If you want to examine Christianity, look to Jesus. He is the only one who ever lived out Christianity perfectly. Everyone else, myself included, gets a few things wrong. Many of us strive to be as correct as possible, but we’re flawed; we’re human. We will mess up.
Do not judge Christianity, or any belief system, based on imperfect people. Look to Jesus.
If Jesus is God, this truth would not be altered even if Christians lived the most deplorable of lives.
If Jesus is not God, then it doesn’t matter how well or poorly Christians live; we would still be wrong.
In other words, Christianity lives or dies based on Jesus alone. Look to Him to judge the belief system.
Just because there are many different, conflicting religions doesn’t negate the possibility that one is correct. If someone tells you that something blue is blue, and others tell you that it is yellow or red, their theories would conflict, but ultimately one is right.
“There really is no solid way to prove which one is right.”
Isn’t there? I would tell you to research it, but I kind of doubt you will. The atheist can’t find God for the same reason a thief can’t find a policeman.
Thank you for making my day.
People like you remind me that I am smarter than the majority of the world, and that just makes me feel all warm inside.
I thank you for your intellect, if only stupid people would listen.
Then christianity would disappear.
If God wants me to believe in Him, then He should come down and tell me Himself.
you are under the impression God cares about you.
The whole “God/Jesus loves you” just dissolved right there, didn’t it?
Um, he did? That’s what the whole Jesus bit is?
TROLL OVERLOADDDDDDD
Kyle you have solid evidence of human beings spontaneously coming back to life? I’d like to see that. And history according to the bible involves some drunk talking to a burning bush, and somehow traveling the world on foot and gathering every species on the planet into boat. There are thousands of species to account for, and since you don’t believe in evolution he would have to have collected them all from every part of the world, including the ones that had not been discovered yet. It’s a badly written story book full of plot holes.
The infinite complexity of the world is clearly evidence AGAINST intelligent design. Clearly.
Don’t project a human’s limited mind power onto God’s. By definition, he can do anything, including conceiving of and creating thousands of species.
^this
out of all the versions of christianity, this ranks as one of the most believable
^ This guy!
Most hilarious post ever.
This is an addition to my post, above. Many have pointed out that I did not reference the evidence I referred to, so I am here providing it.
For a very entertaining yet accurate summary of the evidence for Jesus’ resurrection, please visit here: http://marshill.com/media/vintagejesus/did-jesus-rise-from-death
For an excellent summary of notable archaeological discoveries which confirm the Bible’s record of history, please visit here: http://marshill.com/media/vintagejesus/did-jesus-rise-from-death
For a thorough, immaculately researched, brilliant, leading-edge website filled with the philosophical and theological arguments, please visit here: http://www.reasonablefaith.org
For a book based entirely on logic that demonstrates how a supernatural universe is far more probable than a merely natural one, read the book “Miracles” by C.S. Lewis.
Kyle- I just want to say that your knowledge of Christian apologetics is phenomenal. I applaud you, your research, and your capacity to keep a level head.
Also, “Miracles” is an excellent book, as is “Mere Christianity.” Both helped me understand and solidify my belief in Christianity.
I wish that there were more people like you on the Internet. Stay strong, Brother, and may the Peace of the Lord be with you.
I noticed that my second link was an accidental copy of the first. I had meant to link here: http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2010/07/top-ten-biblical-discoveries-in-archaeology-10-assyrian-lachish-reliefs/
My apologies
Actually I find a lot of Atheists to be easy to beat in an argument because they resort to ad hominem (not all, just the lot I have mentioned) and that is, by default, a point against someone in the debating world.
Imo, it is your choice what you wanna do with your life. I am gonna live mine.
Funny, in my experience I find the same is true of Christians.
Here, I’ll put it more bluntly: SHUT UP. Live your life, we’ll live ours. Have a nice day
It is easy to say that if you are part of the majority, and that majority is the one making the laws YOU have to live under. I doubt that you would say that if you where living under sharia law.
Poor baby, living under the tyrannical regime of Christians, with our stonings and honor killings and tit-for-tat punishments. Poor you.
Don’t compare the relatively benign presence of Christianity in western culture to Sharia law. Your ignorance is showing.
Your ignorance is showing.
A doubt gay Ugandans think Christianity presence in their country is “relatively benign”.
Seems like you are just pissed off nobody agree’s with how awesome YOU think YOU are.
Go back and find that tiny little room where you are more intelligent than the populous. This is the internet, and you are but a sad troll whining about 1st world problems.
Here’s an idea, pray. God will fix it all up for you since you are so much better than the rest of the heathen scum that surround you. How dare a country YOU chose to go to not bend to your will and submit to your superior Christian demands.
I am always a little surprised that folks who base their life and actions upon a book well known to have been tampered with consider themselves smarter than everyone else. You know with 0% of a doubt that the book was not written by God or Jesus for that matter. You also know it has been edited, edited again, translated had the translations translated and that the version most widely used (note the word VERSION, meaning there is more than one version of this magic book) was chosen by a complete a-hat.
If you want to believe fine. Have faith? Ok, that can be respected, even if not understood, but moral and intellectual superiority ? Uhhhhhh no. Not even close.
When a Christian minds his own life and doesn’t focus on taking, holding hostage or completely obliterating everything outside of what they believe then maybe somebody will care.
Oh wait, you know what? THAT type of Christian is generally well accepted and respected. Crazy isn’t it? How if someone is a good person who means harm to no one and holds no judgement on others is well respected, loved, honored and defended no matter what religion he/she practices? Gosh it’s almost like it doesn’t matter what religion a person practices if they are respectful of those around them.
‘I am always a little surprised that folks who base their life and actions upon a book well known to have been tampered with consider themselves smarter than everyone else. You know with 0% of a doubt that the book was not written by God or Jesus for that matter. You also know it has been edited, edited again, translated had the translations translated and that the version most widely used (note the word VERSION, meaning there is more than one version of this magic book) was chosen by a complete a-hat.”
False. I’m sure you read that in a book or an article somewhere, as my dad brings this up all the time. There have been 12,000 plus articles written the 50 years following Jesus’ death and ressurection, all of which are within 95.5% accuracy. Nothing has EVER come that close in accuracy.
[citation needed]
No one believes that the bible was written by God or Jesus. Not even Christians. We’re taught that it was passed down orally and then when Latin came about men of god or what ever started writing them down.
+120 Internets to you sir.
The old testament was written originally in Hebrew, the New Testament in Greek.There are Latin translations, along with thousands of Hebrew and Greek copies. The Textus Receptus group of texts all agree about 99%, where the 1 percent is word order, not something that would cause the meaning to change. However, there is another group of texts, the Alexandian texts, which not only disagree with Textus Receptus, but also all disagree with each other. However the Textus Receptus makes up the majority of the texts, and they mostly agree. This is the group of texts used in the translations of the King James Version. However, most other versions use one or more of the Alexandian texts, even though they are the minority and disagree with each other.
I have spent a large part of my life studying this, and if you want to spend your time researching it, you only need to spend some time on google. However, you probably feel you would be wasting your time, and do not really care.
Can’t tell if trolling or just…
I love random internet atheists who read one poorly researched, biased article and now think that they, the most brilliant on the interwebz, have religion all figured out and are totally oblivious to the 2,463,285 recorded debates on the subject.
I love random internet christians who read one poorly researched, biased article and now think that they, the most brilliant on the interwebz, have religion all figured out and are totally oblivious to the 2,463,285 recorded debates on the subject.
So you love yourself then… poorly researched, biased and now think that they, the most brilliant on the interwebz?
Proved you are an hypocrite just a few posts below. (Also, completely read your sources before posting them, or it might backfire).
Not really. Your arguments seems to be pretty ad hominem anyway, but still: a real Christian knows that he isn’t better than anyone else, and sees that everyone is equally sinful and evil.
And that’s why I believe I need Christ–because I realize that I’m not perfect and I need redemption. And if you look at God’s requirements to go to heaven, you’d agree that you don’t measure up either: God calls for goodness, not human goodness, but good the way God is good. Perfect. Besides Jesus, no one is perfect–a little lie is enough to taint you. So everyone needs repentance.
And this is why we convert people, because we see how awful humans (including ourselves!) are, and we want everyone to come to Christ and be forgiven so they can go to heaven too. What is commonly seen as “shoving Christianity down people’s throats” is really an act of loving one’s neighbor and saving them from a horrible fate in hell.
please elaborate on the “I could be jailed, as a British citizen, for over ten years simply by admitting I’m a Christian.” part because I believe it to be utter bullocks.
Total agree, and on the ‘Catholics being pedophile’ point, here in the Netherlands there was also a huge scandal, and it turns out it is exactly the same problem as in the rest of society. There was no difference between the percentage of sexual abuse of children within the church, as outside of the Catholic community. This was stated and then immediately ignored, only the problem within the church is now being handled…
“Despite the fact I’m invariably one of the most intelligent people in the room…”
Methinks it is probably your arrogance that incites people to dislike you and argue with you. Nothing makes the average person more upset than meeting someone who clearly believes that everyone else in the room is inferior.
I agree with most of the stuff you are saying, but christianity teaches us to have a bit of humbleness, and if you are christian, you should give a good example
You’re way off base my friend. Thousands of polls have been taken in the US, and the numbers do not lie: approx 85% of Americans believe that there is a God/all powerful being. Agnostics and atheists represent a very, very small minority. I was going to say “google it”, but really? You should have known this already.
I like you. You make sense and are humble enough to know your place in the argument and speak from experience. I just wanted to say I respect you.
It is an arrogant persecution complex. Atheists are executed in the same places that Christians are jailed.
You aren’t the only people being picked on for not being part of the majority. And just so you understand, Atheists are not in the majority in America. We are one of the most vocal groups because of a few Atheist intellectuals like Richard Dawkins and the recently deceased Hitchens who spurred us into debate and showed us it’s time to stop letting religion kick us around.
Well played sir
“All the “bashing” you “suffer” is when people tell you where you crossed a line.”
So explain to me how it makes sense to bash someone in, say, Georgia when someone in Maine crossed a line. I’m failing to understand why it makes sense to bash the entire party when one guest stepped out of line.
Are christian billboards vandalized? How many christian billboards do you see on a daily basis to be vandalized in the first place.
do advertising agencies refuse to run christian ads? how many christian ads are you seeing run on your local tv? (im excluding Mormonism and seventh day adventist because I dont represent those, so i cannot argue them nor do they believe the same things or hold the same ideals that i do)
do radio stations refuse to air christian ads? the only christian ads i hear on the radio are on specifically christian stations.
do politicians hide their christianity? many politicians will express their religious background as a way to create a credible, safe feeling aura, but as soon as a politician decides to act upon his religious rights to expression and says this is wrong because of what i believe… well then everyone will go up in an uproar (i.e Rick Perry)
Do you have to think twice about mentioning your involvement in Christian student organizations in a CV lest it cost you a potential job? No you dont because of the constitutional freedom of religion and the equal opportunity laws in place in the American work force. However, if one were to be expressing his religious opinions and ideals at work on a consistent basis to perhaps a boss of a different religion, dont you think that boss would be able to easily find another reason to fire him simply because he doesnt agree with his religious ideals?
what i am saying is… you dont see or hear about mass media persecution because christianity, in any serious sense, is not being allowed into mass media due to a fear of conflict with viewers, listeners, students, politics, etc. The media companies, schools, and campaign organizations are weary to display christianity because of the inevitable conflict that will occur.
I am a Christian, i believe what i believe, i would love for you to believe the same, but if you choose not to, so be it, it really is no worry about mine. Christians have given a bad rap to Christianity not because of all believers, but the ones that choose to speak out in their loudest, most demanding, demeaning, derogatory, overbearing voices, are the ones being heard, and therefore the image that the public sees of Christianity is tainted. What the public fails to do is see that like any religion… it has many followers from all different walks of life and that when a person that claims a certain religion does something you dont agree with, you should feel conflict in your mind with that person, not with the religion they exclaim to be a part of.
I see and hear christian ads all over the place, just saying.
Small example — the consistent Catholic church advertisements on television.
Plus nevermind that the only non-secular holidays I or anyone else I know get off from work and a federally acted upon are Christian ones.
What channels do you watch? I have never seen a Catholic church commercial in my life.
As I always say, the voice of insanity is louder than the voice of reason.
Ah, the No True Scotsman fallacy. The funny thing is that the “bad Christians” would probably say that you’re the one who’s tainted for not believing what they believe. So who’s right? Oh-hum! I think that you’ll say “my side”.
“True scotsman” christians are the ones who follow the teachings of Jesus as written. That’s pretty elementary.
No True Scotsman fallacy is the act of distancing yourself from undesirable elements within your religion by claiming that they are not, in fact, truly Christian. It’s fallacious thinking because those undesirable elements believe themselves to be Christian, and therefore, are still an integral part of your religion.
So tell me. If following Jesus’ teachings as written is so elementary, why are there so many different sects within Christianity?
I can’t speak for all of them, since I don’t know everything, but many of the denominations differ with regards to matters not covered in the Bible, such as how to run a church.
oh boo-hoo, u have such hard life.
all those those terrible things happen to Mormons and they believe in Jesus Christ
Yeah, Christians are NEVER treated badly in any way.
That’s why my friend who’s bisexual treated me differently after I told her I’m a Christian, even though when she came out to me, I hugged her, thanked her for telling me, and made sure she was aware that I accepted her, wasn’t judging her, and thoroughly respected her.
That’s why a Muslim girl who was previously my friend started hating me the day I showed up at school wearing a shirt with a bible verse on it, even though I’d always been nice to her and never talked about my religion unless she asked about it, which was rare.
That’s why many Atheists I’ve met immediately start hurling hateful comments, threats, and insults at me as soon as I say I am a Christian, even though I showed them no disrespect, aggression, or desire to attack them with my religion.
All these other groups talk about how they want to be accepted, but then they turn around and say all Christians are homophobic, bigoted idiots, religion is for stupid people who need a crutch, and how much they hate anyone who has ever willingly picked up a bible. If they want respect they’d best learn to show it. I’ve been nothing if not kind to people who have different beliefs. I do my best to show that I respect them and their religion or lack thereof.
To all these people who demand to not be judged for what they believe, I’m asking the same courtesy. I am a Christian. I am NOT your enemy.
The problem with this is that you are part of a negative group with a rule book that tell you to be negative. No matter what you say, your rule book still tell you that everyone who doesn’t believe like you is going to hell.
It’s like if you say you are a white supremest to a African American but say you will still accept them as your friend. You can be as nice as you want but people will still view you as an evil prejudiced monster because you identify yourself with a group that preaches evil prejudiced things.
I just got to say that all you need is love
Bravo, I tip my hat to you. Thank you for this
If only more people knew that Christianity when practiced right is a Religion of peace, instead of judgement. I salute you for being one of the few truly accepting Christians left. May your days be bountiful and god bless.
This crap is happening to me as well. All the sh*t I’ve been ostracized from after supporting those same individuals unconditionally for years is just insane.
Actually, I answer yes to quite a few of those. Others might not outwardly judge you for being Christian, but it does set people back a bit. Religion is just something you “don’t talk about” today.
Truth is, everyone suffers. Majorities, minorities, etc. However, what we choose to see is a different story. The only difference between people when it comes to spiritual belief is how we react to the ridicule. You’re either peaceful and open-minded, or a judgmental hypocrite.
Pick one.
What about teaching evolution in the science classes? Surely that’s someones belief and also shouldn’t be shoved our throats.
Yes, yes they are.
Another lib-tard who can’t deal with their hipocrisy being pointed out, so they engage in even more of it. Way to go. Stick your fingers in your ears and shout a bit more, maybe people won’t notice what you’re really doing….. moonbat.
Are Christian billboards vandalized on a regular basis? I doubt they’d be allowed
Do advertising agencies refuse to run Christian ads? Never seen one
Do radio stations refuse to air Christian ads? Also never seen one
Do politicians have to hide being Christian lest they jeopardize their career? Yep pretty much, same as doctors, teachers, erm people who don’t want their friends to think they’re an idiot even though they’ve made an informed choice based on some facts, just like Atheists
Do you have to think twice about mentioning your involvement in Christian student organizations in a CV lest it cost you a potential job? Yes
Welcome to Britain, where being a Christian really isn’t that easy. I have been mocked, bullied, left out, had people try to make me “less Christian” by spiking my drinks and spreading rumours.
(also British) People like that give the rest of us “non-religious” types a bad name. Now I remember why I want to emigrate.
We’re not all like that, promise! My best friend is a Protestant Christian. I’ve never thought badly of her for it, her beliefs are her own.
I really hate arseholes like that.
Right, let’s hear you bash Islam in another country. Thats called getting your f*cking head cut off.
Try that in Iran or Saudi Arabia and see how it goes.
Leave the bed-wetters out of this.
Point of meme proven by you.
I am a Christian and I’m neither foolish, ignorant, nor scared. Your statement is now void.
Not another one…
nope, I am 19 have been Christian for 2 and a half years,
I study engineering, love my muslim and atheist friends, I practice martial arts, and agree with the theory of evolution because I see God’s work in every step.
why hello this
This is an example of a person with a healthy religious life; faithful yet accepting of others and current scientific facts.
<-Atheist
I heart you.
Most people I know wouldn’t link science with religion in any circumstance. In my opinion, it’s because there’s too much petty pride between some believers and non-believers. However, it is not impossible for a God to have made and used science because it would be the only thing our minds could comprehend.
You guys have no f*cking clue how many Christians out there are exactly like this man.
They’re called Liberal Christians; and they actually tolerate others
There are plenty of non-liberal and even conservative Christians who also love and tolerate others.
atheism is for the stubborn, the arrogant, and the unfortunately uniformed
where can I get said uniforms? I guess I should start flashing around my atheism wearing my Sunday worsts…
rofl
Judging by the typical response to Atheism, you should probably pick up a reproduction SS uniform. Replace the armband with a design of your choosing, and shout pseudo-German at your victims!
You’re not helping them by saying that, and certainly not letting yourself be a good influence on any atheist, or Christian. Believers like me are disappointed in reading things like that. There’s no such thing as a stubborn, arrogant atheist, Christian, or Jew… only stubborn people. Stop with the tunnel vision, and look around.
Yes, it’s so stubborn to believe things that have evidence, it’s so arrogant to believe this vastly huge universe wasn’t made specifically for us, and it’s so uninformed to see the commonalities between the myths of all religions and realize they’re all crap.
hell is for the arrogant, the haughty, and the prideful
that is your opinion sir.
You suggesting I take to Islam? The religion for the smart, educated and brave.
Now you’re being islamophobic
This meme is funny why? Because it’s true.
Tell that to Einstein, Bill Gates, and the thousands of Christian soldiers in the American armed forces. I’d bet they disagree.
“Tell that to Einstein…” What a non-christian have to do with it?
“In the view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support of such views.”
“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”
Interviewer: “You accept the historical existence of Jesus?” Einstein: “Unquestionably. ”
- Einstein, who was certainly NOT a non-christian.
Einstein was Jewish.
What evidence do you have? Full sentences with correct spelling please.
agreed!!!!!
Wow, what a jaded view
Right. Which is why thousands of Christians give up comfortable lives to go to the most hurting places in the world to give free food and care to the poorest people on this planet. They do this because of their ignorance, fear, and foolishness.
I remember 3 christians going to Uganda and kicking off the anti gay bill.
I remember a group of Christian families going to the amason and the men being slaughtered when making first contact with a tribe they were going to minister to and then those very men’s wives going after them to minister to the tribe anyway.
google tip of the spear
Google’ed, found nothing.
That is in no way a good action, going in the middle of the amazon and trying to shove your beliefs in the throats of unsuspecting tribesman. Worse still is their stubborn wives, who don’t understand when someone is not welcome.
How would you like if i got to your house and started preaching about pastafarism?
If pastafarianism was genuinely to way to eternal salvation and the only way to avoid going to hell, I’d like it a lot. In fact, I’d be grateful as f**k. Except in Christianity case this is actually true.
Says who? A man made book that took centuries to develop?
radzy, if that is what you think of Christians, you need to go out and meet some more people
you misspelled atheism.
Lol whatever. I’m none of the mainstream religions. Canissian
Pff… my religion is so underground you probably never even heard of it…
Is it necromancy?
i believe in charlie sheen.
for yae he is our god and he shall make us all winning!
Shut up
ftw!
MY religion revolves around the melted material at the centre of Earth, which will at the day of the Earth’s destruction transform into giant spaceships and take all the believers to Mars.
Please provide directions to the nearest church….
Christianity, the belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie gets angry when you masturbate. Seems legit.
Not really, but then again no one who makes fun of Christianity really knows anything about so rock on with the #ignorance
^this
I’m just not gonna say anything about this……..
some guys brother died in the old testament and it was customary for him to marry his brother’s wife and get her pregnant as she had no kids
but he “spilled his seed” so she wouldn’t get pregnant
this was said to be a wicked thing
some people then say mb8ing is wrong; i think he pulled out
you clearly did NOT go to a catholic school then….
first of all, Jesus is anything but a Jewish cosmic zombie (well, actually you did get the Jewish part right, but thats not the point).
Second, sex is something that should be between a man and a woman within the sanctity of marriage. Doing it to yourself violates this and also means you are greedy for wanting to satisfy yourself.
Mahahaha you cant wank sucked in!!!
wow. daniel radcliffe really let himself go
I lol’d. Would lol again.
That’s because christianity doesn’t deserve respect. I don’t think I have to remind you of what kind of stuff happened in the middle ages: crusades, witch hunts, general oppression of people, senseless murdering in the name of God, a complete stop in scientific advance, etc. Christanity must be the most evil religion in recorded history, only Islam can even compete with it and it’s not even close.
The Crusades were in response to equally savage acts towards Christians living in the Middle East. Repeated Crusading may have been a tad unnecessary, but they rivaled evil actions of other religions. The Muslim and Jewish worlds were just as brutal, but you just know more about Christianity. Also, the Crusades were Catholic, but I believe the poster is referring to protestantism, a different religion.
Also, Satanism is probably more evil. And Aztec Sun God worshippers. They sacrificed all kinds of sh*t.
It’s a different church, my friend, not a different religion.
You can’t defend the crusades by anything really; they were cruel and clearly against the Christian values stated in the Bible (supposing we listen to the New Testament more than the Old Testament).
However, you don’t see that happening nowadays; nowadays Christians help poor people all over the world and do all kinds of good stuff. Not that there aren’t stupid people in the mix, of course, and there may be some questionable things in the teachings.
Though I’m agnostic nowadays, I was a Christian for the first 16 years of my life, and what I was always taught by the people of my church was forgiveness, open-mindedness, and helping the people who’re worse off. It’s not such a really bad thing to be Christian, though I personally chose to quit.
Respect given
this is why I love Agnostic people. So tolerable. You my friend, kick ass. :3
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
dictionary or gtfo
Lolwut? Everything I commented made perfect sense. You keep trying to be clever. I don’t think you’re doing what you think you’re doing…
Respectful disagreement?
This is still the internet, right?
(In all seriousness, I really appreciate your reasonableness. You left Christianity, but you don’t feel the need to crap all over it. I wish more people were like you in this regard.)
Christianity is still killing how many people?
Islam is still killing how many people?
I don’t know. Ask George W. Bush and his holy war.
Iraq is not a holy war. It was waged in response to accusations of Iraq having WMDs.
BEFORE YOU REPLY, yes I’m aware that Iraq has/had no WMDs. A man who worked in a factory (or something similar) who had a dislike of Saddam made up the story to try to remove Saddam (I forget the guy’s name but he was on an episode of 60 minutes – look it up!). For some reason, we acted on an anonymous tip with no proof. THAT, I disagree with.
Whoa, big difference there. If we’re talking war, there is a difference between people who happen to be Christian and kill, and those who are Muslim and kill in the name of Allah.
“In the name of” does not necessarily mean “For”. I could throw a rock at a tree in the name of science but did I accomplish anything for science? Probably not. So the crusades might have been in the name of God, but they were not for God, it was just majorly used as a guise to acquire wealth (just like televangelists but more violent [that hardly explains what the crusades were].)
Oh for pitys sake be reasonable…
I’d say he has to go further than ‘reasonable’ and also get his facts straight… The loads of bullcrap people belief about the Middle Ages and Christianity are even more unbelievable than they make religion seem xD
I’m a Christian, and yet I have done none of what you just stated. Why am I to be persecuted?
THIS.
Because you identify yourself with a group that is known for such things. If you say your a white supremacist even though you have never persecuted an African American, people still look at you different.
So you are saying that all people of Middle Eastern descent are terrorist and out to incite global terror. hmmm
Haha, logic fail!
FAIL
Except in this case, the White Supremacists don’t hate other races and haven’t for hundreds of years. White supremacists by definition think they are superior to other races, but Christianity not defined by the crusades. Your analogy is flawed.
How can one person thinking they are superior to another person not involve any hate?
I think you misunderstood my point. I was pointing out the flaw in equating christians and white supremacists.
I think you misunderstood. It was an analogy. The person wasn’t saying that white supremacists and Christians are the same, they were saying that when a person identifies themselves as part of the white supremacist group, other people are going to make some negative assumptions about that person based on the actions of that group, just some people will make negative assumptions about your ideas and beliefs because you identify yourself as a christian. As to your point that “white supremacists don’t hate other races and haven’t for hundreds of years”, that is incorrect. Both the Aryan Nation and the KKK are considered domestic terrorist organizations, and leaders of these organizations have performed acts of domestic terrorism as recently as 2004 according to statistics published by the FBI. http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005
YOU misunderstood. I know white supremicisim is alive and well. The flaw in the analogy is that it’s okay to discriminate against a white supremicist because groups like the KKK INHERENTLY have those bigoted beliefs because those beliefs define the organization itself; however, it would be foolish to judge every christian by what happened during the crusades and like events because not every christian condones or engages in those acts and, in fact, they have not taken place in many years–those things don’t DEFINE christianity, whereas white supremacism is the hallmark of white supremacist groups. I hope this is clearer.
Yes, I see where you’re coming from. However, there have been some recent actions that could cause people from other groups to view Christians negatively. It’s not right, but it happens. I think that’s the point the original post was trying to get across, just using past examples instead of recent examples, like Fred Phelps, or like the pope stating that gay marriage is a threat to humanity’s future. Sure, you don’t hear about mass conquests in the name of Jesus anymore, but there are still some pretty bad things that go down in his name, just as there are bad things that go down in the name of other religions and ideologies. Human beings are lazy by nature, and we like to take shortcuts. When we meet someone, we’re more likely to use available information to make quick decisions, so people think christian—>Fred Phelps—->anti-gay—>bad just the same way they might meet an atheist and think atheist—>no morals—>columbine massacre—>bad, or something along those lines. I think most people can get past that, but it still happens.
funny that thing you say about scientific advance: do you know that the big bang theory was critiziced by the atheists because they said that it was a cheap way to explain God’s creation? maybe you didn’t because ignorance doesn’t attack a social group, but some individuals like you
What? The middle ages showed a gap in scientific/technological advances because the culture of society changed to religious fanaticism over education. Just as the Islamic countries now have slowed to a stop in the scientific world. Religion stops people from asking questions, with force if necessary.
A Chrisitian Preist at a Catholic University was the first one to put up the Big Bang as a theory of the universe, If the church stops people from asking questions, shouldn’t they gag him even though it was sanctioned by them
“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.” -Einstein
Science and religion should work together imo. They’re not mutually exclusive.
I love people that haven’t really studied history.
Crusades – I’m sorry are we counting territorial disputes as religious wars?
Witch hunts – mostly done by the secular government of the region. Accusers that were found to have a motive to accuse the “witch” were usually put on trial themselves.
A complete stop in scientific advance – The term “science” was coined in the middle ages. The name “dark ages” is a misnomer. There were many scientific advances during the middle ages. Most at this point are obsolete and many dealt more with natural sciences. Robert Grosseteste the Bishop of Lincoln has been said to be ” the real founder of the tradition of scientific thought in medieval Oxford, and in some ways, of the modern English intellectual tradition.” Hell, most universities and works of knowledge were started or preserved by the Catholic church.
general oppression of people – Not only is this incredibly vague, but you know, governments of old were pretty oppressive by themselves. Let’s throw paganism is “generally oppressive” too. I mean Rome was a pretty oppresive empire. OH! Atheists too! Stalin and the Soviet Union were pretty damn oppressive.
senseless murdering in the name of God – again a vague statement. All the wars while Christianity existed had significant geopolitical reasons. But you know again, the same statement could apply to Rome/paganism and Stalin/atheism by your logic.
Religion isn’t the only cause of evil in the world, but it is uniquely protected. Because the truth and final answer on the subject can only be discovered after one dies, it is not bound to the ‘reality check’ that all other ideologies are held to.
When you promise Utopia, as in the case of the Soviets, and Utopia never arrives, the people will revolt and overthrow. When you promise Utopia after death, only if the people remain obedient, ah, then you have unparallelled support from a people who will be with you to the death.
I was going to go into detail on how this ideological fanaticism would uniquely effect each instance you described but you seem intelligent enough to understand the implications.
Religion doesn’t cause evil, but it is the grease that helps it run smoothly.
You have not established that religion causes “evil.” Rather in this case, since my argument is narrowed to Christianity, have not established that Christianity causes “evil.” But wait we need to go deeper. You have not established that Christianity was the cause of the items stipulated by Juho and commented on by myself.
I thank you for your straw man, I need a new one for the crows..
That’s an interesting thought, given how man kind (Including you, Mr atheist) really f*cked up nature. Our ocean is full of plastics, our watersheds full of whatever you don’t want anymore (Washing machines, tires, cars, train cars, random paint, oil and acids,) Open green space is shrinking rapidly, the most atheist nations in the world are over fishing the oceans, white man nearly drove half the animals in North America to extinction, not to mention the natives. Don’t you dare say that every one who came over on those boats were Christians. Global warming (which is complete crap), or rather just pouting the air is coming one of the greatest anti christian/atheist parts of the world. America’s govenrment tries to get away from Christianity, Now after a few crashed airplanes we are 15,000,000,000,000 [http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/] in the hole. So don’t even compare when we massacred a few Europeans way back when. You’re Killing your home, because you Don’t respect it’s Creator.
Just think about that for a minute.
“man kind (Including you, Mr atheist) really f**ked up nature.”
Hi Cpt. Obvious.
“the most atheist nations in the world are over fishing the oceans”
Source?
“Global warming (which is complete crap), or rather just pouting the air is coming one of the greatest anti christian/atheist parts of the world.”
Name what parts of the world you are talking about. Also, Source?
“America’s govenrment tries to get away from Christianity”
Not my problem but, Source?
“Now after a few crashed airplanes we are 15,000,000,000,000 [http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/] in the hole”
Just to clarify, you are saying that 9/11 are “a few crashed airplanes”?
“So don’t even compare when we massacred a few Europeans way back when”
So it is OK to massacre people now and then?
“You’re Killing your home, because you Don’t respect it’s Creator.”
So you are blaming that on people who don’t share your religious viewpoint?
Your stupidity is polluting this comment section! I try to think that stupid people like you are the minority but every time i see something like this it get a little harder.
1) Atheist nations over fishing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling_in_Japan
http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/2011/10/11/overfishing-101-getting-serious-about-illegal-tuna-fishing-in-the-mediterranean/
2) Asia. Mostly China and India.
http://fire.biol.wwu.edu/trent/alles/AirPollution.pdf
3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state (I understand the origns of the bill, but it has been taken out of hand like here: http://oeyweb.com/timoey/articles/2002/pledge.htm http://www.gainesville.com/article/20110718/articles/110719637)
4. Yes. Yes I am. And the primary cause of the war we just ended.
5. No, But i think the world can forgive us, like they forgave
America in Japan: 246000 dead http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki
China in Tiananmen square: 7,000 dead,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989
England in Boston: 6 dead, 7 wounded.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Massacre
Native Americans at Little big horn: 268 dead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Little_Bighorn
*there are loads more from other countries, But I don’t feel like giving this troll a full History lesson.
6 Not entirely, But But if everyone respected God’s earth Like most of us do, It would be a cleaner place.
And I’m sorry Mr Hatter, But I find it Ironic that you are indeed a Bad Argument Hippy, Given that I have provided sources or a counter For everything you posted. Maybe you should go take a history class. Have a Nice day.
Fuuuuu i should have numbered my post for easy reference.
I am assuming that by “atheist nation” you mean “majorly atheist population”, not “secular/laic nation”, as it was not very clear.
1. In regards to the first link, whales are not fish. Second link, italy have a catholic christian majority.
2. I love how you excluded the second biggest air pollutant, the old USA, with its christian majority.
3. I will not dispute that, as i stated that was not my problem.
4. It just sounded a little disrespectful, but that is also not my problem.
5. To forgive is not to forget, and some of those are unforgivable anyway.
6. You said “Not entirely”, then just said yes? Are you also claiming that christians don’t “disrespect” “god’s” earth? Earth is not your imaginary friend’s property anyway!
Wikipedia is not a valid source, if you want, you can pull Wikipedia’s sources and present them. Also , some of your sources disproved what you said, why are you disproving yourself?
You still are polluting this place with stupidity.
Whales are not fish. Holy s**t, his argument is completely invalid. Bravo, Hatter, you completely and irrevocably proved him wrong. Overfishing is irrelevant because whales, though they’re being hunted to oblivion, are not fish! Wow, you sure got him there. He’ll never show his face in public again.
I hope my sarcasm doesn’t go over your head.
Whales not being a fish discredited his first source, ass-hat.
You Know what? I cant win this Argument. I don’t know everything. Your A troll, I might as well Be talking to a wall. But I can Live My Life For Christ proclaiming him, Ruler over all the Universe.
And Given the number of comments on this post, Hundreds of people will get this message.
We are all sinners, Condemned to the fiery pits of hell. You and me both , Hatter.
But there is Hope. God, who made this earth, and has evidence of existence within it Took on the form of flesh, And Died for the sins we have committed.
We may not get it all right, Mostly because we are small, imperfect and not all knowing Like our Father in Heaven.
It takes Faith to believe. I have tremendous faith, Just sticking up for what i believe is right, Among all these trolls. If I come here with so many of my brothers arguing on this side of the hall, Don’t you think we might be right?
If you want to know more, you can talk to me in private via email at Zdude998@aol.com. I’d love to talk to you there. No, I’m not using my primary email, that would be stupid with all the trolls around.
Why should i talk in private if i have nothing to hide?
And the way i see it, you are the troll, convincipeople in believing in a sky-daddy.
I’m not telling you to talk in private necessarily, anyone who is wondering what we are arguing about, and wants to hear a untorlled version of the story, they are free to.
Are you really willing to hold a grudge against something that wasn’t even remotely close to our generation of people? This is the twenty-first century, and it pains me every time I witness someone use that excuse to bash Christianity. Plus the fact that you have to look back that far to find any real dirt only gives me more confidence in my faith.
Every social group has their moment of shame, and their moment to shine. That’s just how life balances itself out.
“Plus the fact that you have to look back that far to find any real dirt only gives me more confidence in my faith.”
So anything short of a crusade is not real dirt?
Defining EVERYONE in a group because of a large sect’s abuse of power is not real dirt. That’s classification, and is f*cking retarded.
The religion itself is not evil.
It’s the people who are evil. The Religion just gives them an excuse, even though it goes against everything that the religion in question teaches.
I love how everyone instantly points out the bad things ‘Christians’ have done, but completely ignore the good things they’ve done in the name of their religion. You are all ignorant morons. Enjoy your close minded douchebaggery.
You were doing so well until the last couple sentences there. Better luck next time.
So androgynous, can’t tell if guy or girl.
Typical hippie, i might say. Hence the hair in places you don’t want them to be.
Wait, it isn’t Daniel Radcliffe wearing a wig?
Check the neck. Female.
Gotta love conservative humor. Always so rip-roaring funny. Here’s an idea for the next post:
PROTESTS VIETNAM AND IRAQ WARS
OOPS TURNS OUT HIPPIES WERE RIGHT. OOPS.
How about another:
SUPPORTED CIVIL RIGHTS ACT AND FAIR HOUSING LAWS WHILE CONSERVATIVES OPPOSED.
OOPS TURNS OUT HIPPIES WERE RIGHT. OOPS.
lol nobody cares, dude
this ^
Northern conservatives pushed for the Civil Rights Acts while Southern Democrats (and some northern ones) opposed them. HISTORY FAIL
THIS ^^^ ALL THE WAY!
I love the fact that you know history!
Here’s a better, more true one:
SUPPORTS MASS FUNDING RESULTING IN 15 TRILLION DOLLAR DEBT
YEAH, I GUESS WE F*CKED UP PRETTY BADLY
(for clarity, I am taking this meme as it’s original identity, Liberal College Student)
I do particularly enjoy the unintended irony of those wallowing in the Dunning-Kruger effect making constant logical fallacies while attempting to mock someone for the use of logical fallacies. It’s like two memes in one.
Care to elaborate?
not sure if stupid …
… or american.
From Wikipedia -
“Studies on the Dunning–Kruger effect tend to focus on American test subjects. Similar studies on European subjects show marked muting of the effect; studies on some East Asian subjects suggest that something like the opposite of the Dunning–Kruger effect operates on self-assessment and motivation to improve”
This is the bad argument meme.
Wikipedia…
Oh and what’s that, the part you linked to doesn’t have a citation.
He didn’t link to anywhere, he quoted it. It wouldn’t be on Wikipedia if it most likely wasn’t right. It’s not what it was 5 years ago.
If you spend 5 minutes on any of the memebase sites you are likely to see misinformation on wikipedia, placed there intentionally.
There is a reason why anything wikipedia says that isnt cited properly is often ridiculed by anyone who actually knows how to research a subject.
Of course, that gets corrected so it doesn’t really matter. Go vandalize a page and see what happens.
^ Agreed
god dammit that hippie is ugly!
Ugly hippie is ugly
You don’t say?
no, i don’t say. i point and laugh.
+ over 9000 internets for you!
such a great comment and nickname deserves the best!
thats Allison from A&E’s intervention.
Actually, any religion clash is likely to weaken every religion, so it would benefit everyone anti-religious.
Though on the other hand, Christianity appears to be the most harmless and senile out of all world religions, so I would prefer global Christendom.
Harmless ? Might wanna check this link : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
you might want to find something in THIS century
ancient history is ancient.
Creationism, Pro-Lifers, Anti-Gays
I have gay friends and I believe in evolution. The only thing on that list that I object to is abortion. However I do not push my moral decisions upon anyone. Do I still deserve to be considered stupid and ignorant because of my religious beliefs?
time to start the rant…
Yes, creationism is our view. Evolution has not been proven you put just as much faith is some scientist and his fancy piece of paper as we do in our God.
How can you not see abortion as murder? mankind has continued to amaze me with how heartless and cold we, as a group, truly are. The BABY inside of a woman will become a BABY outside of her. Nine months creates life. LIFE. why is your life more important than a growing child’s that is you were killed there would be an investigation, case, and hopefully sentencing, as well as a funnel with all of your friends and family attending; but you can kill an unborn infant for $2 maybe 3in an hour. why is it legal to kill a baby before it has poped out but a brutal murder after? It is sad, it really is.
ok what the hell? why does everyone think we believe in creationism? Christianity has accepted evolutionism. In addition, the Vatican has the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, which does a lot of scientific research and even works with prominent atheists such as Stephen Hawking.
Proof:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/4588289/The-Vatican-claims-Darwins-theory-of-evolution-is-compatible-with-Christianity.html
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_academies/acdscien/own/documents/hawkingnew.html
Christianity has accepted evolutionism? Thus is news to me. I’m a Christian and I don’t believe in evolutionism at all. Take a hard look at it and it’s a completely flawed theory.
^THIS
Uganda anti-gay bill is recent enough for you?
Christianity is anything but harmless, the only reason it seems tame now, is because it’s largely worshiped in cultures that will keep their religious foolishness on a leash.
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself (Matthew 22:39)
If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also.
If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic
(Luke 6:29)
this is evil stuff i tells ya! It was written to opress women/thepoor/gaypeople and to start religous wars i swear it
If those were the bits that people quoted when trying to influence legislation, I’d be all for it, but they don’t. People use religion to justify exclusion, not inclusion.
And they would have done it anyway, if there is nothing to quote they will make something up…
Um… yeah, then you write it down and create a holy book.
^this
If someone is doing something wrong, i do not believe they should be included.
“Germany is anything but harmless, the only reason it seems tame now, is because it’s largely populated by cultures that keep their nazi foolishness on a leash.”
You see what I did there? Not? Let me explain Zombie Jesus. Your above logic showed flaws which I attempted to point out by applying the same logic on another well known subject. What flawed logic is this you ask? Let me explain Zombie Jesus.
You are judging an entire “group” of people by actions of a select few. If I kill in the name of Martin Luther King, does that mean that all Martin Luther King supporters should be classed as the same? Are they all dangerous? Maybe you should read up about Martin Luther King and find out what he actually stood for before you judge him and his supporters Zombie Jesus. Hitler killed in the name of Germany as another example.
The same with Christianity. I am quite sure that most of “Christianity hate” comes from people who have never bothered to actually read the story of Jesus and what He stood for. “But the Bible has wars in it”, so does your history books. The country you currently live in was probably acquired through warfare. Also just because I claim to be Christian, doesn’t mean I am. If a person claims to be a police man, but isn’t, would you judge all policemen by his/her actions?
I am glad I could be of assistance Zombie Jesus. I require no thanks. As you were.
One can say if someone who claims to be christian is not a christian if there is only one way to be christian or one denomination. Same with other religions with multiple denominations.
Jesus or god does not bother to tell us what is one corrent way nor do they try to stop people from doing it wrong.
They do not care are powerless or weak or simple arent real.
But He does. He is actually really clear in his word what He expects and what to watch out for. The problem is there is a vast amount of “Christians” who haven’t even read it. They have been told what is in there and just accepted it.
Catholics are encouraged not to read the word, but let the Pope read it and interpret it for them. If Catholics actually read what they call the foundation of their faith, they would see how much they are doing incorrectly.
Even in the word it states, “You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?: Matthew 7:16″. A Christian will be known by how he portrays himself, for others to see. That is how we can judge if someone is a Christian or not.
“Catholics are encouraged not to read the word…” False. The Catholic Church has been actively trying to get Catholics to read the Bible more ever since Vatican II, but there is a deep-seated culture of not reading it. The logic is that, “since it’s read every Sunday why do I have to read it on my own?” And this way of thinking really frustrates a lot of priests (and it’s also much more of a Western problem; African Catholics tend to be very well-versed in scripture).
I appreciate your weighing in on this debate/discussion. But please, let’s not stoop to ignorant statements about other Christians.
Funny thing actually that Jesus constantly goes on about how people will do evil in his name, its mentioned at several places in the bible actually
proof please.
o wait… yea… there is none.
jeremiah 29:23
deuteronomy 18:20
James 2:7
matthew 7:22-23
romans 2:24
and like all of revelations.
Love, peace, tolerance and understanding. All signs of a brutal religion…
Big-headed political leaders using it as a tool of power and fear-mongering however, is detached from Christianity and is found in various religions.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html
Suuuuure, raping lesbians to cure their homosexuality is super peaceful and tolerating.
Hate to break this to you, but we stopped invading countries and killing millions of people who wouldn’t convert over 500 years ago.
Afghanistan, 2001. Iraq, 2003.
Is it 2503 already? Wow, that cryogenic stuff really works!
Those are religious wars, meant to convert people, and MILLIONS died?! Wow, the media and their mindtricks! Now I see the light!
Btw, while the crusades were of course wrong and terrible, as are all wars, they were not all they are made out to be. They were strongly politically influenced, and started as a defence against agression from the Middle East. It wasn’t a simple ‘kill everybody who isn’t us’-happening.
Religion was used to legitimize the wars among the population. And about 100.000 people died in the Iraq war, …not a million, but I’d say it’s enough…
most died from suicide bombs. not “Christian” guns.
And this is the irrationality and ignorance that this meme refers to.
* Face palm*
Actually, if you follow the religion properly, then it’s a very peaceful religion. People just take things out of context, to literally, be overly judgemental, ect. And before any says “Herp Derp cruscades. Umad?”, the Cruscades was part of the old Christian Empirical kingdoms, like alot of the other questionable acts in the Medieval and Kingdom eras. It was abused majorly to put people into power, so alot of it, isn’t the best argument of what a “good Christian should be.”
What religious foolishness are you talking about? We don’t bomb people to spread religion. So why do so many people hate Christianity? What “harm” have we done that no other religion has?
Anti-gays, pro-lifers, creationists
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8076906.stm
Maybe that was not to spread religion, but i don’t think that is harmless.
Also, if i kill half planet in the name of pastafarism, does this give christianity to do the same? No? the why do you think “What “harm” have we done that no other religion has?” is valid?
So many people hate christianity because it is the religion that surround them.
Psst, that was actually Christianity being used as a tool to control the masses, not Christianity as the cause!
Wish people would come to understand that.
Sorry, meant to reply to Draivun
So it’s not harmless, but it’s practiced harmlessly? Sounds pretty harmless to me.
you might have heard of AIDS, you know the sexually transmitted disease, and condoms, that thing that could really lower it propagation…but as the pope declared that condoms shouldn’t be used because having sex for other purpose than reproduction is a sin a lot of people in africa don’t use them…helping spread this plague and leading thousands of people to an early grave, but hey, they are only poor black people so it’s harmless!
Actually, the pope encourages condom use to prevent the spread of diseases like AIDS. It was a pretty big decision made a few years ago.
true, i didn’t know that, was 2 years ago, but that’s still a pretty long time before they decided to admit it…and please everyone stop with the “you can’t put catholics and christian in the same bag, it’s totally different!”, well yes I can, as far as i know it’s the same religion and catholics are a group large enough to be considered representative…don’t act like kids trying to reject the fault on one another when the group has done something bad. Everyone goes “not concerned, wasn’t my group!” so in the end no one is responsible…? (and well, seeing as you speak about “muslims” (or worse “atheists” ) as one unique group it makes you really laughable…)
Just to finish, do you guys realize how disdainful you are when speaking about africans as if they were animals or retards who can’t refrain from having sex and don’t do exactly what they’re told???
previous message isn’t meant to be offensive for you L.L, don’t read me wrong
“do you guys realize how disdainful you are when speaking about africans as if they were animals or retards who can’t refrain from having sex and don’t do exactly what they’re told???”
God, so many things wrong with this.
No one talks about africans like that. Africans have sex, just like the rest of the world. And during sex, perfectly normal and socially acceptable and reasonably sex, AIDS still occurs.Just because someone mentions that africans have sex doesn’t mean they’re implying all africans are “animals or retards,” and the fact that you read that into it makes YOU disdainful.
I believe you are terribly misinformed good sir.
Sorry, but you’re the one who’s misinformed here:
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/11/20/pope-oks-condoms-in-some-cases-cites-use-by-male-prostitutes-av/
Yeah cos all the other mainstream religions condone sex before marriage. And of course Catholicism = Christianity. Oh and yes I remember the part where they only discouraged black people from using condoms. WRONG
You know Catholicism is different than Christianity, right? And you know the Pope is Catholic, right? Annnnnnd you know that other things like the Crusades, censorship and pedophilia are also associated with Catholicism and not Christianity, right?
Yeah, and you know you sound like a tw*t, right? Annnnnd you know the same problems exist everywhere, right? And you know Catholicism is a branch of Christianity, the biggest denomination actually, right?
A branch of Christianity? I didn’t know Christianity had its own administration.
You’re the tw*t.
Catholicism is the politician’s version of Christianity. Many of the practices were originally Roman pagan ideas which Constantine changed for his own benefit. Examples of these are worshiping on Sunday, or having alters in the home or worshiping saints or having statues which people pray in front of and many other things as well so technically Catholicism is a Roman cult and protestant Christianity goes back to the original Christianity.
And actually, the message to these people was to: 1. Have sex with only 1 person. 2. Only have sex when you’re married. 3. Don’t cheat. 4. Only use sex for reproduction. 5. So, coming from 4. don’t use condoms.
These people then go on ignoring almost everything, while saying ‘we shouldn’t use condoms’!
They actually never wanted to, and now they just have another excuse.
The Bible doesn’t say anything about only having sex for reproduction. In fact, Sex is a gift from God like everything else, and God WANTS us to enjoy sex for sex’s sake. But food is also a good thing, and we all know what too much food, indiscriminate food leads too. God is right for regulating sex.
Actually, truc, you are very mistaken. A few years back, when the UN shipped 1,000,000 condoms over to Africa, to sto[ the spread of AIDS, you know what happened? AIDS increased. Why? Because sex outside of marriage was still promoted. Until you can find a contraceptive that gives a 0% chance of catching HPV, Syphilis, Hepatitis B or AIDS, please keep the incorrect rubbish to yourself.
If only you knew my friends and I. Maybe you’d see differently. ;] None of us are foolish in our beliefs, only concerned for the welfare of others, and seeking primarily to inform as many people as possible of Jesus Christ, NOT to persuade them (although I’m sure you’ve seen many a foolish, arrogant Christian on television, or other media). Don’t judge an entire group based on what a few individuals have said or done.
“inform as many people as possible of Jesus Christ” = “inform as many people as possible of Coca-Cola”, who didn’t heard about either of those already?
what he means is that you know the man (who is proven to exist) as simply Jesus.
we know Him as the Christ-child, our Redeemer, who died for us
if you can’t accept that, whatever. hide behind your computer screen and ignore your creator, but know that despite that you reject Him, He still loves you and calls you to His side
Yes, the almighty Flying Spaghetti Monster loves you too.
Inform =/= simply telling people that it exists.
I suppose you are right.
Lololol! Ever heard of the Crusades?
That was before christianity grew senile.
“Grew senile”. You mean before we stopped listening to the deluded and senile pope/arch bishop/patriarch/whatever the guy in the funny hat is called in your country.
Christianity =/= Christians
Ah, the good ole’ TrueChristian™ argument. If Christianity ≠ Christians, then please elaborate on what
a) Christianity is
b) Christians are.
You know, just from how these two words seem so similar, I’d have guessed that Christians are the followers of Christianity.
How about “the whole” =/= “all parts”. That’s called generalizing and people usually look down on that.
Just because you are in MacDonald’s does not mean you are a cheeseburger. The same applies to Christianity. You can go to Church and you can read your Bible, but all that is worthless if you do not admit that you are a broken and sinful person in need of God’s healing and forgiveness which He gave us through His son’s death on the cross.
Thank you! (And I appreciated the trademark logo)
“I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians.” -Gandhi
There is a difference. Don’t define Christ by his followers.
a) Christianity, by definition, believes and follows Christ. Christians, ideally, should emulate Christ, who was perfect and sinless. Christianity itself is a religion of love (though not of tolerance or peace as some would have you believe), and Christians should reflect that…
b) …but sometimes, they don’t. In fact, a lot of the time. No one is perfect the way Christ is perfect. Christians are imperfect, many (most, I daresay) don’t have a true understanding of the Bible. They don’t reflect the actions of Christ, and there is the difference.
But I still define myself as a Christian because I recognize my imperfection and I know that my own works can never remedy it, and Christ is the only way to redemption and salvation.
Ever heard of the Reconquista? The crusades were part of a series of wars between two distinct races, cultures and religions over land, some of it holy, some of it not.
shut up with your lies—-lalalalalalalalalala
THe crusades are proof that Christianity is terrible! Just take a look at all the political Christian tyrants today causing genocide!!!
there’s _____…and umm, ____. Oh yeah, and about 50 years ago there was _______.
Not to mention the crusades were fought under catholicism, as was the spanish inquisition.
Actually, I can’t think of a single non-denominational Christian lead war or conflict.
^this
i don’t want to live on this planet anymore
there was somethign out easy that was genocidal recently regarding someone who claimed to be JEsus’ brother. Million dead i think. It pains me that I don’t remember what it was
The Taiping rebellion killed 20 million people in mid 19th century china and it was started by a Protestant convert who believed he was Jesus’ brother. Is this what you were referring to?
Robert Mugabe is up there with the worst of them.
Yea, but that happened when 90% of the worl population could not read and there were only christianity and islam(Asia excluded). No atheism. So it was easy for the pope to trick dumb peasants into war.
I love how cultural relativists always bring up events nearly a millenia old in place of actual arguments.
Besides, the crusades were a campaign to reclaim land stolen by the arabs from the Byzantine empire. But I guess having stolen it fair and square with countless amounts of slaughter and mayhem makes it their birthright, right?
Ever heard of the Muslims building an empire by taking over pretty much all of Europe which incited the Crusades? Yeah, didn’t think so. It’s not mainstream knowledge.
Oh those insane blood thirsty Buddhists, you’re so right. Thank goodness there hasn’t been any blood spilled over Christianity. Ask those peaceful Norwegians how their summer went.
Actually, there was a 100 year war after the death of Siddhartha over one of his teeth.
Not even Buddhism has a bloodless history.
When I was in Northeastern Thailand about four years ago, I met a village full of Christians who had come together because their neighbors throughout Thailand and Laos had forced them from their homes, burned down their houses, and drove them to the middle of nowhere and left them for dead. Those neighbors? Buddhists.
Just because some hippies in the US like to co-opt it while in college so they look all cool and deep doesn’t mean it’s all peace and butterflies.
This would be cute, except that most people who think Christianity is a farce also think most other religions are also equally problematic (yes, that includes Islam, Neo-Paganism ect), but also respect other people’s right to believe whatever they want and embrace diversity as a democratic norm.
After all, religion usually requires other socio-political-economic factors to take on more authoritarian/elitist characteristics.
Gotta love conservative humor. Always so rip-roaring funny. Here’s an idea for the next post:
PROTESTS VIETNAM AND IRAQ WARS
OOPS TURNS OUT HIPPIES WERE RIGHT. OOPS.
Real conservatives were against those wars too. The were unconstitutional.
And didn’t Obama get us involved with the whole Libya thing? Seems like the media was all gung-ho for that one…
Being a christian is not the same as being a catholic.
who said it was? Catholicism isnt even that bad.Still, there is no good denomination of the Christian religion.
ever heard of the Inquisition or Pedophilia?
Implying that everyone under Christianity and Catholicism is a pedophile. Look at that, I’m a pedophile and I wasn’t even aware.
Good that we helped you to realize that. You’re welcome.
Yes Z, appearently everyone who thinks there is a purpose for living, or thinks that loving your neighbour is a good thing..
ACTUALLY IS A PEDOPHILE
No exceptions.
the abrahamitic god:
“Kill everyone who isn’t heterosexual (including their neighbours), isn’t faithful to his/her spouse, doesn’t worships me, works on the sabbath (friday, saturday, sunday… take your pick), speaks my name etc.
Oh, and I almost forgot: Don’t forget to love thy neighbour (or else I’ll make sure you burn in the fiery pits of hell for eternity). Have a nice life. No pressure, buddy! ^_^”
Old testament =/= new testament.
Jesus set out to stop a load of the teachings of the old Testament, like changing it from ‘An eye for an eye’ to ‘Turn the other cheek’
And when Jesus said I love thy neighbour, I don’t remember him saying ANYWHERE ‘except those gay people, you can screw them over’.
There’s a reason he was considered a radical and sentenced to death for blasphemy.
If Christians were actually Christ-like life would be swell. (Paraphrased from Gandhi)
Summed up the entire thread. Thank you my good sir.
That’s true, there are some Christians who are a-holes. Then again there are some atheists who are a-holes. I’m just tryna follow the WWJD thing, and you know, I’m cool with it if people don’t agree with my beliefs. But as far as I can see, my beliefs include loving everyone no matter what, even though other Christians might not be doing that. We’re all people, maybe we should all try to be better people. You know, start with the whole man in the mirror thing before you start judging everyone and their dog. The whole point is that we try to be like Jesus. We might fail sometimes, through what we’ve done and what we’ve failed to do, but heck that’s okay, as long as we realise we were wrong, are really sorry and try not to do it again.
BUT the thing is, lots of people who claim to be Christian are that in name only. You have to BE the love that you preach. Strangely enough I can’t imagine Jesus picketing anyone’s funeral.
So yeah I guess you’re right. No one is Christ-like, NO ONE is that good. but I can try my best to give it a shot. And I think if everyone did that, then yeah, life would be pretty swell.
^this. This is why I love Jesus.
Still, if jesus was god (who is apparantly almighty and all knowing) then it seems strange for him to change his mind about forcing you to kill everyone near you. An all knowing god doesn’t change his mind; He already knows EVERYTHING.
Not that I think the man was the son of god (assuming one exists). Still, christians burned other christians for even putting forth that notion at the council of Nicea in 325 AD.
As becky pointed out below, If Christians were actually Christ-like life would be swell
Jesus was, and still is, the King Almighty. Yes, Christians fail. But if we are to judge Christianity by looking at the worst of them, and apply that same logic to atheists, then we can safely say that all atheism promotes what those kids did in the Columbine High School massacre. Yes? No. Christianity must be judged by the founder, perfecter and author of the faith (Hebrews 12:3) My point is, that Jesus was totally righteous. He had no wrongdoing. By that I mean that he did not sin, meaning that he perfectly carried out all that God’s law in the Old Testament required. Jesus was perfect. He died for man’s sins, that man might come to the “marvelous light” (1 Peter 2) and live for him and for His glory. I stuff up. I sin. I am, to tell you the truth, the chief of all sinners. But I have taken on the righteousness of Jesus, just as he took on my unrighteousness at the cross. Therefore, there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. (Romans 8:1)
It doesn’t say any of that. Please provide citations. And since when was it oppressive to love others unconditionally? You have problems.
I’m tired of this sh*t, bro, don’t generalyze, it’s like declaring EVERY muslim has a bomb strapped to their chest, every american is fat and dumb, every black guy is a criminal, etc. Being a catholic doesn’t make you perfect, you are still a human, you still commit errors, this is what people don’t understand.
Americans are not fat!
We are; Healthy, Husky, Big, Fluffy, D***, and Oh H*** No!
Please consult the approved charts for how to determine where you stand sir.
Therefore, if I take a Toyota car and use it to drive it through someone’s house, the entirety of Toyota, all its employees, all its associates, and anyone who supports Toyota must be blamed.
Makes perfect sense.
^this!
Wait………are you saying that Catholics are the only ones responsible for Pedophilia? Because I wasn’t aware that all Pedophiles picked a single belief system.
Ever heard of the banning of birth control and abortions (hence the AIDS epidemic in 3rd world countries where people are uneducated and take the pope seriously)?
The Pope said sex before marriage is wrong, but wearing a condom is a lesser evil because you prevent your partner from being hurt. Look it up. Also, last I checked abortions don’t prevent STDs, and neither do all forms of birth control. Nice Try.
Pope said condom is okay, TWO years ago, what about before that?
And i am still terrible at punctuation.
You realize that the governments in several of these countries actually tell their citizens that AIDS is completely made up by western governments, right?
Obvious troll is obvious.
If they really took the pope seriously, they would only have sex with one person to whom they’re married. If they did, the epidemic wouldn’t be so epidemical
Woah…
I…
am speechless…
There is nothing better than in-fighting about the same silliness.
How does this sh*t make the front page?
I thought it was funny….
Cause Christianity is respects everyone…that’s why Atheist cannot hold office in six states and why gays are fighting for the right to be married…
Ummmmmmm…..which states have banned atheist’s from holding office?
fcking hypocrites
There is also nothing wrong with being a Christian either, it is wrong that someone can defame Christ all they want but publish one cartoon of Mohammed in a Dutch paper and Muslims around the world riot
That is because they are retarded. Ever noticed that the more advanced and educated culture, the less religious they are?
“Science without Religion is lame, Religion without Science is blind.” -Einstein
That is because they are bat-sh*t-retarded. Ever noticed that the more advanced and educated culture, the less religious they are?
This. Yes, some Christians are a little over-the-top and can be very annoying, but blaming the entire organization on the failings of the few is nothing short of discrimination.
Turn the other cheek.
Apparently that teaching caught on more than I could imagine.
Agreed. The muslims need to learn to respect their intellectual betters.
I discovered an american!
… it was a danish paper
Oh, someone has fatwa envy? Yeah, too bad the enlightened people of Europe had enough of the burning of heretics and the censorship of publications.
Oh btw is it a man or woman?
All the same old cliches…
I see what you did there.
You idiots that are bashing Christianity do realize that you just proved this meme right, don’t you?
I bash all religions.
Don’t bash Hinduism. That’s racist.
Not as much as bashing Islam. That is extremely racist.
There is not enough bashing!
Religion =/= Race
Hindu = (indigenous) race.
Hindu = religion. Also, most hindus are heavily mixed due to the fact that india is full of different ethnic groups
^^^This
This.^^^^
Only the ones who say we should respect all others. And hey, if those people can point out the very obvious fact that religions are different and you can easily justify criticising only one of them, they can even render the meme worthless!
LOGIC
By the way, what do you even mean by ‘proved’ it right? It’s not making an argument or anything like that. What do you think has been proven, and why aren’t you aware that this message exists only in your bitter mind?
anyway *fry* not sure if bad argument hippy is a male or female
F*ck meymey base moderators!
They probably let stuff like this meme through just so they can sit back, watch the flame war and go ‘Dance my pretties!’
I’m a Christian! I do my best to love and care about people, regardless of who they are; their race, gender, religion, skin colour, sexual preferences and whatever else I may have missed. I try to follow Jesus Christ and his teachings but I will fail, I will fall down and mess up from time to time.
But He loves me, as he loves everyone else, and I can pick myself up and keep trying to be a more loving person and a better Christian.
Unless you are doing it for free tickets to heaven, then good work.
That hippie has a mustache.
i’d still hit it
With a crowbar.
All I hear is a bunch of butthurt heathens complaining about philosophies that differ from theirs. The religion of Non-religion. Dogmatic Atheists. Hypocrites! I’d rather calibrate my moral standards to a source not of myself that tells me love even my enemies than to attempt to regulate morality myself like Atheists in their selfrighteous “if it feels good, do it” morality. No philosophy that worships hedonisms, like Secular Humanism, can possibly be “good” or “righteous”. Get off your high horses, Atheists, before demanding the religious to do the same.
Also… I laughed at this. And we all ruined it with comments that more or less support the general message of the picture… so I laughed twice. HA!
Memebade moderators,
PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD THIS MEME IS *NOT* CALLED BAD ARGUMENT HIPPIE
It’s called “College Liberal” and is designed to go along with “College Conservative”.
Now PLEASE change the name and also insert “College Conservative”. How biased are the admins of this site?
The funny thing is that those who are “tolerant” of all people and lifestyles act entirely different when Christianity is brought up. It’s not like Christians help feed the hungry, provide education to the poor, and started the first hospitals for use by everyone….oh wait, they did. I guess people condemn what they do not know and what on the surface seems restrictive and intolerant?
Kill gays or otherwise limit gay rights, kill atheists or otherwise limit atheists rights, what a wonderful and peaceful religion you have there (If you want to take credit for the good actions of certain parts of your cult, you have to take the bad ones too).
Oh Dang, because Atheists don’t kill Christians.
Oh wait they have.
But not because they believe that the voices in their heads… oh wait… the invisible wizard in the sky demands it
Vixon, I understand your hesitancy to believe in an Almighty, allknowing, omnipresent God who does not simply appear before you to convince you simply of His existence, but please read this message and think about whether or not it could possibly be true, before criticizing it.
“The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.” (Psalm 19:1)
Look outside, tonight, and see the possibly infinite number of stars that are in the universe. The God who created that is certainly not invisible.
“The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going.” (John 3:8a) You wouldn’t even think of telling me that there was no such thing as wind, even though you cannot see it. To think that simply because you could not see wind, does not mean it is not there, would be an illogical and stupid conclusion, when you can see the obvious effects of it.
It is the same with God. The reason why the earth spins, why your heart beats, why ice is less dense then water, and the crazy amounts of love of particular Christians such as Mother Theresa, Hudson Taylor, and John Newton, are all evidence towards the existence of the God of the Bible. Coupled with His working in my life, from a self-centered, lustful, lying, cheating, hating monster, into something that is better, is great evidence of God’s existence.
Please, if you think there might even be a shred of truth to what I’m saying, if you think that I could possibly be right about even one thing, examine the life of Peter the apostle. In Mark 14:66-73, Peter disowns Jesus three times, to escape persecution. Jesus is crucified in the later chapters, and the he rises again. Now, according to Jerome (the ancient writer), Peter changed so much over the course of his lifetime, that, when he was caught and his time to die came, he asked that he be crucified upside down, because he was unworthy to die in the same way as his Lord. You can look up the facts yourself, if you want to.
I trust that you’ll find me right, but please, if you have any inquiries, questions, criticism, or anything, facebook me. That goes for all you other people reading this too.
Ryan, please, calm down. 1 Peter 3:15b calls us to [preach the Gospel] “with gentleness and respect.” It is great to be zealous, but we must make sure that we are preaching for Christ with both our lives and our testimony.
righteous indignation at the wrongs perpetuated by a kleptocratic oppressive oligarchic structure dominated by a predominantly white “Christian” middle class for the past 700 years of western civilization =/= “bad argument”
you use a thesaurus for that buddy?
^This
on behalf of the church, i am filing a lawsuit to get this meme taken down. if word gets out that one hippie protester doesn’t like christianity, the whole thing could come tumbling down. it really is all that fragile.
This meme is so true it’s sad. There is nothing wrong with being a Christian (I am one) and it is not for the foolish, ignorant and scared, it is for everyone.
what if i’m a hindu?
I respect you all the same. I’m actually fascinated by Hinduism. I think its a beautiful religion. If I wasn’t Catholic I would probably be Hindu.
Seems a little ironic that you respect him “all the same”, but your book says that all non-believers of Jesus can literally go to Hell.
So what? One of my best friends is a Jew and loves bacon.
I also have a friend who is muslin and is deeply in love with Iberian ham.
Conclusion, one might not agree with everything that their religion says.
Me for example, I’m catholic but I do NOT think that marrying a divorced person is a sin, or that homosexuality will take you to hell, or that YOU’LL GO TO HELL FOR NOT BELIEVING IN THE CHRISTIAN GOD. Namely because according to the roman church, non-catholic christians are heretics and there by will burn in godless hell. Ironic isn’t it?
Conclusion: God loves you and he will let you into his awesome heaven party if you are good on earth.
Christianity is for the foolish and the wise, the ignorant and the informed, the scared and the brave. Its for the sinners, which is 100% of the human population ever. All of God’s prophets were sinners. All of those He called righteous were sinners. The only man to ever live without a single sin is Christ and he died to save us from our sins. It just so happens that many Christians think its appropriate to translate their hatred for the sin in themselves onto sinners who have not yet been saved and it makes us all look like Westboro Baptist Church. Thats like saying all Atheists are equal to the Columbine school shooters, who were Atheists and incorporated their dogma into their crime.
Hey Atheists, I love you. Jesus says I have to but it doesn’t feel like much of an obligation, rather a privelage, because Christianity teaches love.
Yaaaay
Christian Five!
Now THAT is living WWJD!
Even as someone teetering between pantheism and atheism, I feel like we could have a reasonable and respectful theological discussion where we are actually DISCUSSING our respective beliefs instead of trying to 1up each other. I wish more were like you.
I must give you all of my Internets……
^this. I wish i could be more level headed and loving like this so that I could better represent Christ.
I would pay her to wash her hair.
Gee. I know a lot of hippies, and often take offense at the Bad Argument Hippie, prolly ’cause it’s so close to home. BUT THIS ONE IS SO TRUE THAT IT’S NOT EVEN FUNNY. Lots of those guys are constantly bashing Christians without even thinking twice about it, but if I did the same thing to any other religion, they’d accuse me of being a horrible, prejudiced person.
NO.
GUYS.
STOP.
ENCOURAGING.
THEM.
OP here.
Too late.
Religious debates are unavoidable when mentioning predominant religions like Christianity and Evolution.
Apparently I believe in two religions at once now…..
I applaud you good sir, for these flames you have stoked.
Religion in general is a mental illness. Thats why you shouldnt hate, just treat them like special eds
Hang on, let me just smash my head against the wall for a few minutes so this statement might begin to make some logical sense…
It reminds me of the “homosexuality is a disease” argument.
So sorry that not everyone believes nothing magically exploded for no reason into everything, even though without a higher power who can defy physics, matter can’t be created. So sorry I don’t believe in an argument that invalidates itself.
Nicely said.
I suppose you do believe in an almighty being who still needed 6 days to create the universe, though? A being who although he is all knowing cannot forsee Adam and Eve’s horrible crime of eating *gasp* an apple and therefore gets mad at them (and their inbred offspring)?
Better to have loved and lost, then to have never loved at all.
#1 He didn’t need 6 days, he could have done it in a second. ( He’s God he does whatever he wants )
#2 He knows EVERYTHING he was not surprised one bit.
#3 The crime wasn’t eating the fruit, ( I don’t know where you got apple from, it’s not in the Bible ) the crime was disobeying God.
Thus we are ALL sinners ” for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, ” Romans 3:23 and are separated from God.
And that’s why God sent his own Son ( Fully God and fully man ) Who lived without sin to die on the cross as a payment for our sins. ” God demonstrates His own love for us in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us”
“Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord; “
Seems like a bit of a convoluted system…If he’s all powerful and all knowing, why not just create beings who would obey? Or are we just here to play out some sort of masochistic fantasies of a higher being?
He did create beings who obey, Angels. He gave us free will because he loves us, would you like to have robot children who do whatever you tell them and never doubt you, and have no emotions or personality.
…And gets angry when they do something he doesn’t like, and comes up with fun punishments like flooding the entire world, and damning a person’s soul to eternal torment for finite crimes.
Hearing people talk about God as if he’s a real entity makes me very glad this is all fiction to me, but I still find it disturbing that so many give it credence and feel that one of their main purposes is to convince others that their imaginary friend is real.
Rewrite the bible in the context of a novel, change the names, and this God character would be a psychopathic villain by any normal standards.
Agreed. why havent the christians commented on this yet? i want to hear a reply. or maybe the argument has been won?
Trying to understand that which exists beyond our current state… Bit hard.
Explain quantum physics to a third grader, well try, and see how far you get.
Go talk to said third grader two weeks later and see what they remember, look at how much their interpretation of the information changed.
The average child of that age can not understand at that level, so they will have adjusted what they heard to fit their own perception of reality; or just stared at you like a madman.
So asking a Christian why God did as he did, is about the same. I am a Christian and the best explanation for what was discussed in the Old Testament (You know, before Christianity) was that it was a curve of learning. Not for Him, but us.
^^^^This. More or less what I would have responded, but you beat me to it. 9001 internets to you.
Sorry, above wasn’t meant for ShadrachVS it was meant for Livin’ Legend.
Yes, He’s a psychopath if you ignore huge chunks of the story. Jews, who study what the Christians call the Old Testament (where all of the wars and whatnot are in the Bible), have their own take on this and how God isn’t a villain. For Christians, we believe that God became a human to show us a better way of living and to offer us an eternal life. Now, I suspect that you’re going to point out that Hell was also created by God and that He could have just not created Hell in the first place. In response to that: Hell isn’t what Dante wrote (and, thus, what pop-culture thinks it is). Hell is simply an afterlife apart from God. This is what some people want and God loves them enough to let them have it. Would He prefer that we all live that afterlife where He wants us? Absolutely. But granting us free-will produces risks that we aren’t going to choose that which God would choose for us.
Why give us free-will? Because love is only genuine when it is freely given and accepted. God did not desire to create robots. He desired to create something capable of demonstrating genuine love. And therefore, they also carried the risk of rejecting Him and His love. Also, they can hurt one another. Ultimately, we believe that this is why Jesus came. God became a human to show us what a human life could be: loving, peaceful, self-sacrificial, etc. And Jesus died to expose to the world how wicked we could be–we would kill God Himself if given the chance. But by returning from the dead, Jesus showed us that even the murder of God was not enough to piss God off and that God would love us even in spite of the evil we are capable of.
Does this still sound like a psychotic villain?
Every internet are yours.
It’s a hard concept to describe properly, but I’ll do my best.
God did know when he created Adam and Eve that they would sin when the time came. Yes, God both gives us free will and controls the universe as he wills. Yes, God wants what is best for His people. But Justice is still part of God’s character. Do we sin? Yes. Do we suffer? Yes. Do we deserve Hell? YES.
But – God has assigned a time when he will deliver(save) us from this terrible, sinful world and from the threat of hell. Why is it all necessary? Because we will love Him more for doing it.
good question, for the sake of discussion lets assume god exists and created, why not just make us all obey? Because (according to christian tradition, which is relevant here) he wants our love. To achieve that he must give his creation free will to love or not. To obey his commandments or not. If you ever read anything by C.S Lewis (mere christianity, the four loves also i believe) he goes into this in great depth. Personally I find these debates pointless, but I thought you might find that interesting
I’ve read Mere Christianity, I just think he must be describing a completely different god than we’re speaking of. Even when I did believe in god, I had a really hard time reconciling that with the fact that there are children in the world who are allowed to be r***d, tortured, hurt, killed etc when this supposedly all powerful and loving god could have stepped in at any moment and caused it not to happen, but didn’t because of someone else’s “original sin”.
Because you can’t love and in turn be loved by an automaton. God wanted someone to marvel at and revel in his creation with him, and created beings with the same kind of free will as God. I don’t believe that he created us knowing it would happen all along; I believe he created us knowing that there was a chance we would try to become like God (i.e gaining knowledge of good and evil) but knowing there was also a chance we would not.
By the way, almost of all of Genesis is written in poetic Hebrew verse, so there is the possibility that it is not supposed to be taken as fact, but rather as an illustrative song or chant.
Would you want to exist as a being who *had* to obey, without even the ability to consider not obeying? …Well, I guess you would if that’s what you were… Having the free will makes our good actions and the discovery of our potential actually mean something because we chose them over other actions. If you physically can’t choose not to be evil, living a good and upstanding life doesn’t mean anything. It just means you’re functioning correctly as a cog in the machine, that sounds *real* fulfilling. So maybe that’s why He wouldn’t opt for just creating beings who would obey.
Simply put love. With love comes free will, the option to not love. If you loved some one and you forced them to “love” and obey you they could never a have true love and obedience towards you, they would just be some sort of flesh robot going through their programming but there would be nothing intrinsically human about them. By giving humanity free will God gave us the option to obey or disobey because the obedient would love him just that much more, if that makes sense.
That’s all good and stuff…except where the retribution for “not obeying” is either eternal punishment or death depending on one’s interpretation.
Free will must be free for it to be free will. The only punishments for an action must flow logically from the action. Hence when God commands genocide of those who don’t believe in him, when he destroys Sodom and Gomorrah for their inhospitality, when he floods the earth because he doesn’t like how humans are acting, when he purposefully hardened the Pharoah’s heart so the Pharoah couldn’t let the Israelites go free even if he wanted to, when he sends forth a plague for King David taking the census that God himself commanded David to take…These and more instances are antithetical to your claims of God supporting free will. And antithetical to claims of God giving love.
It isn’t so much the punishment, it’s the separation. The punishment came along with the mainstream fire and brimstone Hell of Dante’s Inferno. Hell is basically a way of God saying, “You don’t want me, so I won’t hang out with you anymore.”
God supports free will, but he still has the right to punish you if you use it wrong. Your parents can’t and don’t control every action you do, but if you did something wrong, they would still punish you for what you did, wouldn’t they?
The hardening of Pharoah’s heart is something we purposefully went over at church. It wasn’t so much that God actively hardened his heart, God simply did not soften it. He LET it happen, as opposed to making it happen. God simply did not intervene with Pharaoh’s already hardened heart.
On the 6 day thing, I think it probably happened in 6 Stages but “Days” was the closest term they had to get the message across. Going by that theory it could have taken as long or a short as it needed to, a second or millions of years for example. Just something to ponder.
dude
ok, look dude
you’re not making this better
This is why people don’t like Christians
Who says they ate an apple?
Could have been a pomegranate
I actually read somewhere that it was an orange
Magic? No, that’s what most religions talk about. It always amuses me someone will try to belittle scientific fact by claiming it speaks of magic, and then declare a wizard did it.
lrn 2 d syuns. From your bizarre idea it invalidates yourself, you should start with a very basic level revision guide for children.
You have no more proof than religions do.
No offense, but the big bang theory makes more sense to me than an omnipotent magic man who’s existed before time who can snap his fingers and say “now it is!”.
You need faith to believe in anything, because nobody was there to see it happen, except God, so I prefer to believe the One who was there an made it all happen.
P.S. ( God is a being not a man)
I’ve never been able to do the whole faith thing. To me faith is going bungie jumping and just strapping on the harness and jumping, no hesitation, no second thoughts. If it holds, you were right, but if it doesn’t hold you smack the rocks below and look like a fool. I’d prefer to get my facts straight and know for sure that it’s safe before placing the safety of my life on a long strand of rubber.
There is a difference between faith and hope. If I sit at a restaurant and order food for a friend because I have “faith” that he will arrive, even though he never said he would, that isn’t faith. That is hope. If your friend said he would be there, and you ordered for him, you ordered because you had faith that he would arrive.
So faith is believing in something you were told would happen. So having faith in God is having faith in everything he promised. If he said “You do this and will get this.” doing that action and expecting that result would be practising faith.
In terms of bungee jumping, most people know that it isn’t safe. They will explain the dangers that come with it, so just jumping without checking isn’t practising faith unless someone you trust said it is okay. If no one told you this, then it is just being reckless and stupid.
Please do not confuse the two.
You have to have faith in a scientist to believe in science. Also no-one knows exactly how the universe started and it seems impossible to me that out of nothing there is an explosion that creates everything. Something had to start the chain reaction that led to us being here. The only logical explanation, although hard to believe, is that a being (God) existed before us and set off a chain reaction that created the universe. Until a scientist comes out with proof of what happened to cause the big bang and how out of nothing everything appears, I will still believe in God. In fact none of you atheists have any more proof that there is no God than I do that there is one.
Exactly. I know that when I flip a light switch, my light bulb generally turns on. I understand that the electricity flows through wires, supplied by some company, most likely made by burning some kind of fossil fuel. This is a logical statement and I have every reason to believe it is true.
I have never seen the eletric plant. I have never witnessed a machine that turns burning coal into electricity. Heck, I’ve never even looked inside the walls of my current home.
Yet, I still believe it is true. I could investigate it, learn the process, and repeat it myself to prove to myself it IS true, if I wanted. However, I take it on faith that it is true.
Likewise, I’ve never been to Paris, but I believe it exists. I believe my family doesn’t say terrible things about me behind my back. I believe my girlfriend loves me when she says she does.
Life REQUIRES faith, which is strongly connected to trust. Otherwise you just become a paranoid sociopath.
well, Paris does exist since i’m currently there, so that’s one less question you have to worry about
But, your girlfriend doesn’t love you.
(sorry)
^This
So to summarize: “I don’t know, so I’ll make something up that has no possibility of proof (indeed, being unprovable seems to be taken as a good thing to the religious mind) and not only consider that the truth in my own mind, I’ll completely ignore any theory presented with empirical and/or mathematical evidence because it goes against what I previously made up, and I will insult it and ‘the scientists’ in a condescending manner as if I’ve actually examined the details of that theory.” Your attitude tells me that NO proof would be good enough for you.
By the way, you don’t have to have “faith” in a scientist to “believe” in science. Everything a scientist presents to you is based on some sort of evidence. If you think it’s wrong, or outright faked, you can disprove it based on your own research or even previously established knowledge. If you don’t like THAT knowledge, you can see if you can disprove that based on the knowledge that established that Theory or Law. You can follow this process all the way to the fundamentals of reality if you want.
That’s just a bit more credible than “You’re wrong, God did it!” Science is not to be “believed” in. You can take it or leave it. Just don’t expect people to take you seriously when you refuse to accept what’s right there.
Then please, since we have mathematical and empirical proof that the big bang happened, you should be able to replicate the event for me since someone else has been able to do it, right? They have undeniable proof that it happened, right? They should be creating new universes everyday in labs just to show that they can prove the big bang. Otherwise, it is still a theory.
I’ll take my faith and keep it.
Ah, but there is evidence for God, just as there is evidence for science.
Faith is not believing something you have no evidence for. It is more like seeing the evidence (or hearing a person, etc) and trusting it to be true. And yes, you can critique theevidence but that can only invalidate the evidence, not whatever it was evidence for.
“You have to have faith in a scientist to believe in science. ”
No, if you doubt him, you can test it yourself. Faith is not mandatory, it’s optional.
“The only logical explanation, although hard to believe, is that a being (God) existed before us and set off a chain reaction that created the universe.”
No, the only logical explanation is that we don’t know.
The “i don’t know what caused this, therefore god” argument is really ****ing stupid, and it is one of the few thinks that make me lose it. I mean, how can someone be so stupid to conclude that everything he doesn’t know immediately equals god? What is wrong with saying “I don’t know”? I don’t know if there is something we can call a god out there, but the abrahamic god seems illogical anyway.
Everyone finds it difficult at times, but what you have to remember is you took what you were taught in school on faith. For all you knew, your teachers were making it up.
Even now, knowing that the Big Bang Theory is an accepted scientific fact, you still have to have faith to believe it, because it is completely impossible to conclusively prove anything – be it the existence of God or the event labelled the Big Bang.
I think the reason a lot of people have such a low opinion of religion is because of how science is taught in schools. Teachers will state something as a fact, but bottom line, it may well not be. There can be all the support you like, but it will still never conclusively prove it.
Of course, this argument can also be used against Christians and believers, so it’s basically believe whatever you want, cause we could all be wrong.
Change 1 word, and you explain itself. “Big Bang” vs “Big Snap”, and it’s ultimately the exact same mass spontaneous existence of the entire universe.
One says a factor outside of the singularity created, sparked it, whatever, and the other says the singularity made itself exist, or just straight up leaves it as “I don’t know since I didn’t see it myself”.
+1 Internets for you, mister.
Except that that “big snap” was by an intelligent being who had the infinite power and intelligence necessary to create something as complex and beautiful as our universe.
Whereas your “big bang” was a spontaneous event that happened from nothing, out of nowhere, and through millions of years somehow created atoms and humans and galaxies, even though the first law of thermodynamics clearly shows that /nothing/ comes out of nothing.
An omnipotent being can defy the laws of creation, and create matter, with his power to do anything.
A Big Bang alone, cannot, due to the law that states that “Matter cannot be created or destroyed.” ect.
*Reads all comments from my comment* Damn. I really stirred the pot. O_O
At this very moment I am in the Marriott Marquis in Atlanta, Georgia getting ready to take my bus ride home. In the 3 days I’ve been here I’ve attended a Christian conference in the Georgia dome called Passion. 45 thousand people attended. In three short days, this conference full of colege students aged 18 to 25 have raised 3 million dollars to help aid in the fight against slavery and human trafficking all over the world, as there are 27 million people enslaved all over the world. Call us stupid, foolish, or brainwashed all you want, you will never phase us and Jesus will still love you with all of His heart. Show me an atheist conference that raises 3 million dollars for enslaved men, women, and children before you go all go off calling us, God’s people, the foolish ones. God bless this world and the people in it. Jesus is alive.
I was there too! I’m surprised the trolls haven’t jumped on your comment yet… but it was awesome!
*college. Now with that out of the way, I think it’s wonderful what you’re conference did, but Christians are absolutely not the only charitable people in the world, and that is a testament to all of you as individuals, not to your religion. Atheists can also be quite charitable, but their money is not always accepted. Back in October, the American Cancer Society refused around 500,000 in donations because it came from an atheist organization. http://www.examiner.com/humanist-in-national/american-cancer-society-refuses-500-000-from-atheists
What are you saying is that no one in that conference would donate anything if they weren’t christian? And you are also saying that atheists do no good deeds? Christians like you are terrible, you only do good deeds to get tickets to heaven, not because you are good people.
Who are you to say what people’s intentions are?
I’m the Hatter, you?
All religions must be bashed the same way atheism should be bashed. If we all bash, eventually the undeniable truth will come out. So we can respect ppl’s personal beliefs but also constructively criticise. If people get offended by their beliefs getting bashed, they are simply being ignorant. There’s no point in holding on to something that makes no sense in the face of a good argument against it. That is what ignorant people do.
Unless they’re just bad at arguing.
Except some things can’t ever possibly be countered by any argument. No one can prove that God doesn’t exist.
Bashing’s just painful to all parties involved. It’s better to just drop it and let everyone live their lives their own way.
But you can’t prove that He does, either.
Because it doesn’t exist. No proof of any kind means no existence of any kind. Give me the slightest smidgeon of proof, then you can argue.
Jesus
Soooo, can christian let gay people live their lives their own way now?
I am a Christian and I support gay marriage. I don’t think the homosexual lifestyle is right, but I don’t think it’s the government’s place to regulate it. That being said, Christians treat homosexuality like any other sin, like lying or adultery, by trying to fix it in a, hopefully, loving way. If you saw an alcoholic drinking himself to death, would you just let him live his life his way?
(Yes, I know people will qq over equating homosexuality and being an alcoholic. They’re not. But the repercussions of either are the same. Though, admittedly, intolerance towards homosexuals is an area of Christianity I struggle with as well.)
It seems a bit arrogant to try to fix someone’s life because you think it’s wrong when it’s not harming anyone. Yes, I can see trying to help an alcoholic because alcoholism is destructive. I can see trying to rehabilitate someone who steals, or kills, or sexually assaults others, because they are destructive to themselves and society. How is choosing to love someone of the same gender harmful to anyone?
You win all the internets for competently using logic. Congratulations!
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas! Thank you. I will use all the internets well.
christinsanity, destroyer of all other religions and cultures
Martyr’s Mirror. Who’s doing the destroying?
Lol i don’t think you understand what you just said.
Wouldn’t i be prosecuted if i would walk into a full church and gave a speech about how religion is fooling everyone? And burn religious writings, idols, insulting fololwers while saying none of them is going to heaven nor hell….?
The exact opposite was going on here in the Netherlands, and that romanticized story of yours is only the part which theists would see as the complete story.
Well, burning the religious writings, if they weren’t yours, I think goes under destruction of property, and maybe, if you were specific enough in your insults and someone recorded you and put your speech on the news, i guess a good attorney could make that into slander charges, so yes, I think you would be persecuted.
‘Scuse you.
Nope. true story.
Hipster Islam: We were fighting wars of religion WAY before the Crusades made it mainstream.
Liberals: Angry about the Crusades. Apparently ignorant about the Muslim invasion of Europe.
Lol true!
Obviously you haven’t met a true Christian….
New favorite meme because of this post right here. For once the MODS do something right!
I also love it because it’s so true!
We should always tolerate other people’s religions, unless they’re extremists and think that the only way to please their respective god(s) is by harming other people, or the “unbelievers.”
(I hate this meme template so much.)
http://peacemonger.org/images/S001.jpg
Note the “t”. I’ve never head of anyone singling out a religion as an exception when espousing support for religious equality. This instance of the “bad argument hippie” meme is attacking a straw man.
Not funny.
This meme is f*cking called COLLEGE LIBERAL.
I honestly can’t tell if this is a man or a woman…
Yeah the crusades were fought over religion… Sure ^^ And the Trojan wars about Helen? And the war in Iraq was about democracy? Face it, nearly all wars between nations are fought over power and valuable resources (land, gold, oil, etc…) There were and always will be people who misuse religion for their own purposes. Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Shinto’s, Sikhs, all did it and are still doing it today. It is far more easy to rally people for your cause using religious motives, instead of saying: Well, we just kind of want their land…
And for all my fellow Europeans here: I bet it was nice for our ancestors in the middle ages to have someone who listened to them, a modern day psychologist, or someone who could write or read their letters, someone who brought peace to the village, who tried to explain things that people back then didn’t understand, and fed the poor etc? Well Christian priests did that. And for all the people now that live in “Christian states”: Is it not nice to marry someone you love instead of marrying someone picked by your parents? Is it not nice that labourers have base rights? Is it not nice that their are organisations that help people that are less fortunate then you? Well, a lot of these things are due to Christianity.
I don’t think myself to be a die hard Christian, but I am raised with Christian standards and values and I am very pleased with that. I think they are far more civilised then those of some other religions. I think however that the Christian institutes made a lot of errors now and before, but I believe they have a place even in our modern day society and I would advice people who think Christianity is all bad, to go to a library and read a bit about history.
Well, said, ignorance, well said.
thx
Okay, just for the record, without reading the boatload of trolls and other that I feel above me.
There’s a quote to be kept in mind in those conversation, it’s a bit obvious, but it’s Gandhi so it’s always good use…
“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
That said: Let us be anti-clerical, and mock the mockable Christians. A lot of them deserve it.
If you’re offended by this: I don’t mean any disrespect to your religion or your traditions, they happen to be mine. I, However, mean a lot of disrespect to you, and generally to all humorless fundamentalists.
There, the quote’s been quoted, the obvious shortcuts have been taken, and the weak argument has been made.
Bash one, you must bash them all.
WWRDD.
What Would Richard Dawkins Do?
it’s really weird how all these theologians and history professors just happen to stumble across this meme.
Degrees acquired at Widipedia U.
I like how you can see her naive ambitions in those idealistic eyes. she still thinks she can make a difference. oh you teens are so cute.
wow, when did Freepers start trying to take over memebase with their persecution complex? Go back to freerepublic.com, this site isn’t for you.
i like this one.. shes right!
I hate ALL the religions
Brace yourself, flame wars are coming.
OP here.
This is my best troll ever.
I must say, good job.
Hippie liberals laugh when you mock Christianity. When you mock Islam, they go pale and shake their heads, wondering what happened to this country…
-From my knowledge-, the only main religion that derserves to be respected is buddism. theres has never been a war in the name of it, and it does not preach rasicm, sexism, or anti-gay ideas.
Hinduism has the caste system, and the abrehamic religions have all the problems that i dont need to even go into
the only one i dont know enough about to say, is sihkism
please correct me if im wrong here.
Buddhism, at its core, claims that the world sucks.
So the many wars over the buddhas tooth never happened, eh?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relic_of_the_tooth_of_the_Buddha
I believe you have proved shasjas wrong.
ah fair enough. in which case I respect no religions.
Then you must not respect a majority of people in the world.
lol@people who think christianity is persecuted any more than any other religion
lol@religion in general
I like trains
Attract ALL of the trolls!
MAKE A JOKE MENTIONING RELIGION, YOU MIX THE F*CK OUT OF IT, AND WHAT DO YOU GET?!?!?! TROOOOOOOLLS!!!
Am I the only one who thinks the dude (?) looks like a young Daniel Radcliffe
You are most certainly not the only one.
…This is hilarious. Why haven’t you guys learned that religion and the internet do not mix? I’m a Christian, and I’m not even offended by anything on the internet. Neither should anyone else; ITS THE INTERNET. Anyone who takes what people say on the internet seriously deserves to be mocked.
^THIS!!
Exactly.
These comments taking up a quarter(possibly half) of my computer screen are ridiculous.
IT. IS. THE. EFFIN’. INTERNET.
Oh I know. I’ve stopped trying to find an intelligent conversation on the internet.
tl;dr comments
OK, I’m sick and tired of these debates. I don’t know why we’re arguing. I’m a Christian. You’re an Athiest. He’s a Muslim. Fine. Let’s all let each other practice in peace. I won’t try to shove Christianity down anyone’s throat and I don’t think I’m morally or otherwise superior to anyone outside my faith simply based on the fact that they don’t believe what I believe. I don’t hate gay people; in fact I’m bisexual and am all for legal gay marriage. I really don’t hate any group and I don’t want to see anyone anywhere having any religion forced on them. We need to either engage in an open dialogue that will help us all understand each other without judging or we need to all shut the hell up and leave each other alone.
I’m a christian and i’m not comfortable with “practice in peace”. (Assuming, as it typically would, that it means ignore/avoid religious discussion). Because I would not want to see someone end up in hell because i did not talk to them about a religious issue. But it can be done without any throat-shoving.
And I agree with pretty much the rest of your comment.
^this! so hard!
So you believe that god would send someone to hell to receive infinite punishment for their finite crimes? You’re happy with tying an atheist who had sex before marriage, down, or hell even tying a murderer down, and then literally burning him for the rest of time without letting him die.
Oh but god is not human and knows whats truly good and evil and is righteous in his punishment? NO. We choose what is good and evil. If god has his own views on what is good or evil, they are his own views. not the views of humanity. what is good to him might be evil to us, and if he IS evil to us he is not worth believing in him, except out of fear.
oh no a religon flame war. I’ll admit i’m christian but i’ve got nothing against anyone else. i just feel really bad there’s so much persecution everywhere, but then again, people always stereotype, because i know there’s a lot of christians that cause people to hate. i just wish people could get along more. maybe i’m wrong, or other people are wrong, but i hope soon enough things can be settled with everyone.
Religion.. I can’t think of much that have brought more pain and suffering to the world in some form.
F*ck that sh*t.
What about humanity?
Oh, the humanity.
BTW That ^
What about money? Power?
This religious talk is cool and all, but…
‘Bad Argument HIppie’? Seriously?
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/college-liberal
Hippie*
Respect doesn’t mean you aren’t able to point out what is blatantly stupid, contradictory, in short nonsense. It doesn’t mean that you are incapable of pointing out the flaws in some position whether it is a cultural or religious one.
To the Kirby-name who posted at 14:55 (roughly four hours before this post)…Read the Bible. It stereotypes and persecutes anyone who doesn’t believe in the single God that it proposes…even though the god is vague and contradictory at its very core.
I respectfully disagree. I believe the Bible is the word of God, and basically an instruction manuel concerning how to live a life obedient to God, as well as an enormously accurate and important historical document. It does not hold a condemning message, but one of incredible hope, which applies to each and every one of us. I am a christian, and I read the Bible every day. I have been working through all of it this year, and though I in all honesty cannot speak for the entire work yet, never once in the any of the passages I have read have I seen anything which persecutes another religions faith. I say this because the Bible is not a commentary on other religions. It is a book solely intended to inform people about God. It was not written with a level of political correctness, because the message init is not politically correct. It is challenging, and it is absolute. It states what the Christian doctrine is, what we believe, and one of the thing we believe is that there are no religious substitutes. What I see very consistently, and what I believe with conviction is that the Bible, and through it, God, states that there is NO other God. He is singular. He is the way and the truth. He came down and took the burden of every sin, however innocuous, that was ever committed, and he accepted the punishment for it. He was punished for what countless humans, his own creation, had done. Because of his intense, astonishing, unconditional, and eternal love for us. He died the excruciating and humiliating death of a criminal despite the fact that the not one of his accusers could give a concrete accusations as to what crime he had committed which deserved any sort of discipline. He went because he love us, and he went to die for the sins of the world willingly. And he died to spite the fact that he holds enough power to create an entire universe. He died for us, to defeat the power our sins held over us, which caused eternal separation from him, and then he defeat the very power of death, and rose up, alive, after three days in the grave, triumphant over the sins of the world, and having made for us a bridge to cross over to him. In the Bible, time and again, it says that he gave us this incredible gift of eternity spent with him, and an eternal relationship with him, and to receive it, all we have to do is ask him to forgive our sins. The ones he already bled for. And died for. And he will. And he will never look at them again. They will be gone, forever, obliterated. He did not want to be separated from us by sin, and so he made a way. But in the Bible, it also says that if we do not ask for forgiveness from our sin, we will not go to heaven and live with him eternally. He won’t force you into it. It is an open offer, and we are free to say yes or no. He wants to be with you. But he won’t force you to be with him. And the reason he wants you to choose him, to be with him, is because if you chose that way, you will have a life after this to look forward too. One spent in a place to glorious to describe. One with no death, no tears, no anger. But if you reject what he offers, and live in willful sin, knowing that you have been instructed not to behave in the way you are behaving, and do not come to him in remorse, but live in ways that make a mockery of his precious gift, you won’t be welcomed into Heaven with open arms. If you hear of him, learn what he has done for you, and do not accept it, he will not know you. And instead of an eternal life of unspeakable joy, you will be sentenced to suffer for the sins he has already suffered the punishment of for you. You will be eternally separated from God, with no hope of rescue, because you would not take the life raft when it was thrown to you. It is not a popular message to read, and it is not a “correct” thing to say. But the truth is, I believe it. I love God, and I do not want to see anyone sentenced to an eternity as horrific as the one Hell has to offer. Some of you will read this and scoff. Some of you will want to argue. And some of you will be horrified that I would dare to make such a blatant claim. But it is a claim I will never recant. If you don’t know God, it’s never to late. He’s been waiting for you since the beginning of time, and he loves you so incredibly. Find out more about him before it is too late.
^worth the read. Thanks John
Would a benevolent, OMNIPOTENT god, allow his creations to suffer for eternity because they made the wrong choice, as they are inevitably flawed individuals with no evidence to make an informed decision about whether to follow and how to follow god?
It doesn’t make sense to create the universe like you say he did. assuming he is all powerful, he can save people he loves regardless of whether they reject him. but he wants to give us free will? very well.
assuming he wants to give us the choice of whether we want to be saved, he could have just allowed us to die forever, instead of being sent to a place for eternal torture.
some Christians would claim this is not god actively sending us there but the absence of god (i think you agree with this) that comes from rejecting him. however assuming god created everything, the absence of god would be absolute nothingness. our consciousness surely could not exist there, or else that place would become a piece of “creation” and be no longer nothingness and god would exist there. so he cannot be sending us their. And even if he could would we feel any sort of pain or anything?
so hell must have been created by god. it is not an absence of god. water to quench thirst was created by god yes? so if we reject god we reject the water to quench our thirst and live in eternal thirst? no, because thirst is also a creation of god, and by leaving god behind we no longer get thirsty
so hell must either be absolute nothing that we cant get too, or a creation of god to torture us for making the wrong choice with our flawed minds.
Or it just doesnt exist, and god is the easy going benevolent god that i would like to think people believe in, even though i personally dont.
And you’d never say that to a Muslim’s face about Allah.
Christians are an easy target because modern day Christians are peaceful and tolerant, and wont fight back.
True. Most are nice and won’t kill you if you don’t agree with them. But you will never seem THOSE on TV. Just WBC and Camping.
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I used to find memes that even remotely hinted at religion funny.
Then memebase members took a flame war to the face…
Why can’t we leave religion out of memes unless it’s actually funny like troll god or something
Because some people, like the op, like to troll. There are also other people, like me, who likes flame wars.
to those saying Christianity is the most violent and hasn’t been through anything, I encourage you to read some history books. In Rome when Christianity was first on the rise Nero gathered any people who claimed Christianity, women and children included them, and slaughtered them brutally as part of entertainment. In China you do not have the freedom to be Christian. I’m not sure which country but a woman is being held and may have already been executed for being a Christian rather than Muslim, and I’m sure you’ve all heard of the Pastor that will be executed unless he denounces Christianity. Oh, yes, you forget those people, they don’t matter. They have it coming in your books I suppose. Hypocrites.
“to those saying Christianity is the most violent and hasn’t been through anything” I didn’t see anyone say that. I have seen rebuttals about it being a “peaceful, loving religion”, which it is not, and another rebuttal to “christians are oppressed”, which is also false. If you want to, read previous posts to see the reasons behind my claims. Idiot.
Yes, because there have been NO mentions of the crusades or uganda or anything in this thread. At all.
Stop putting insults at the end of your arguments to cover up how your comments have no substance.
“Yes, because there have been NO mentions of the crusades or uganda or anything in this thread. At all.” What are you trying to say? Those posts prove that the claim that “christianity is a peaceful, loving religion” is false, they are not supposed to prove that “Christianity is the most violent” is true. The “idiot” at the end of that post was to make fun of “Hypocrites” at the end of his post.
Damn, do i have to explain everything to you?
I see this is attracting NO attention…
Making a meme mentioning religion? Bad idea. Although I do agree with it.
Christian refers to a huge group of people which have over time split up over differences. West Boro Baptist Church are the ones protesting funerals. Catholics are the ones against abortion with the TV ads. Mormons are the ones with the questionable book and the secretive practices. LEAVE THE REST OF US OUT OF THIS!
You just did the very thing that you don’t want everyone else doing…. I’m a Catholic and have certainly never paid for a pro life commercial. So how about I throw the other Christians under the bus for things that I don’t agree with?
Well I’m sure after all this many people’s minds were changed.
Why?
That would mean losing the right to insult people for thinking different. WHO WOULD WANT THAT?
the thing is christianity says to love everyone u dont have to believe what they believe but u have to love them people dont get that sometimes it annoys me
Of course people should love one another. Without love and faith, society falls apart. Think about it. I trust that when I go to work and buy a coffee, someone hasn’t laced my coffee with poison. I trust that some nascar wannabe isn’t careering even now towards me. I trust that the taxi driver isn’t going to stop, pull out a gun, and shoot me, because then he gets everything in my wallet, not just the amount I owe him. So, obviously society falls apart without faith. We expect to be able to trust people, to have faith in them, that they will do the right thing.
Wut?
TL; DR This meme is so true plus funny. And for all the kids: No one can prove anything, so believe or believe not. Now quit talking.
is the person who posted this a butthurt christian? just a thought
(continuing from last post) But why?
Without God, there can be no definite right thing, because without God, right and wrong are defined by you and me. So if I don’t want to pay for the childcare of a toddler, I can just drown him, because it is RIGHT for me.
Have you seen the mass murder of toddlers caused by atheists? No? Voila. Also, did god almighty told you in your head or came down from heaven to tell you what is right and wrong? Your parents are the ones that educated you, that taught you right from wrong, give them some credit.
Holocaust. Abortion. Yeah. shut up.
Seriously, you’re going to bring the Holocaust up? Adolf Hitler was a Christian, and actually said he thought he was doing the lord’s work in exterminating Jews. Here’s the source: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/09/list_of_hitler_quotes_in_honor.php Not only was he not an atheist, but he was very anti-atheist. Here’s a quote from a speech he made in 1933 “”We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” and here’s the source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_religious_views. Here’s some helpful advice; don’t run around spouting baseless accusations if you actually want people to seriously consider your opinion on anything.
Bro, I’m on the internet. No one takes me serious. No one takes you serious. Its a moot point.
Douchebag christian. Proved wrong, says it is a moot point.
Douchebag atheist, only addressed the part he can nitpick.
Abortion. Stalin.
Besides, Hitler used Christianity as an excuse rather than any real desire to do the work of God. The holocaust was not the work of Christianity.
Well Emily, Stalin didn’t use atheism to justify his actions. Yes, he did promote atheism very strongly because he believed religion was the opiate of the masses, but it was largely politically motivated rather than religiously motivated. He persecuted people who were a threat or were in his way, and he didn’t target Christians exclusively. I’m not saying he was any better because of this, he was obviously a horrible person. Hitler, on the other hand, (who was also a horrible person) largely targeted people of a specific religion, and he used Christianity to justify it. His motives were largely religious. He had political motivations also, but the point it’s not fair to pin the Holocaust on atheism when that had nothing to do with his motivations. Both examples of problems that arise when religion and government try to mix.
As far as abortion goes, that is not necessarily an atheist enterprise either. Abortions have been being performed for quite a long time, as far back as ancient egypt, and the church didn’t take a stance on whether or not abortion should be considered homicide until the 16th century. Not all atheists are pro-choice just as not all Christians are pro-life. I was faced with an unplanned pregnancy. My husband I struggled with the decision, but in the end we chose not to have an abortion. Had I chosen to have one, I would have a much better quality of life financially then I do know, but I chose my son over comfort. On the other hand, I’ve known several Christians who, faced with the same choice chose their quality of life. It’s a very delicate philosophical and moral issue. If taking any life at all is wrong, then isn’t wrong to eat plants and animals? That’s taking a life, but most people don’t bat an eye. Is the issue taking a sentient or intelligent life? If so, who are we to decide what qualifies a life of being worthy of taking or not taking? What if it’s a case of saving the mother’s life by performing an abortion? What makes the child’s life worth more than the mother’s or vice versa? As you can see, it’s quite a sticky issue and placing blame on one side or the other is counter productive.
When it comes right down to it, their are many things that influence a person’s choices in life. Religious background, where you grew up, who your friends and family were, the experiences you have had, all these things come into play every time a person makes any sort of decision. Sometimes it goes on in the background and sometimes it’s a mental struggle but all of that comes to bear with every decision. Yet when that process comes to an end, every person still has a choice, and they are still responsible for that choice. No one else, no person, no society, no religion, no group, just the person who made the choice is ultimately responsible.
Would it be fair for me to blame you or Christianity as a whole for Fred Phelps’ actions? Most people can agree he is a very hateful person, but he is responsible for that, not anyone else. By the same token, would it be fair for you to blame your Muslim neighbor down the street for 9/11? No, because he didn’t make the choice to hijack those planes and crash them into the towers. Should I blame you for the death of the abortion doctor who was killed by a fundamentalist Christian? How about for every priest who molested a child? Absolutely not, for you are not responsible, and neither are most Christians, it is the individuals who are responsible. I don’t have a problem with Christians in general or with Christianity as a concept, I have a problem with individuals who use it as a tool to blame other groups/religions/cultures/societies when an individual is to blame, or with those who use it as an excuse to escape personal responsibility for their actions. I would have an issue with anyone else who used any other ideology in the same way, be they Hindus, atheists, gays, or any group.
Without a God to define what right and wrong is, I can do whatever I want. I can sleep with whomever I want. I can r*pe, murder and steal, because God isn’t going to say, “Don’t do that.” This is the core of atheism. Without a God, I can do what I want.
Damn, you are terribly stupid. Go sacrifice yourself to your bloodthirsty god.
yay ad hominem! you probably have tons of friends.
You could do that with a god too, and some people do. You determine what your actions are, and you are responsible for them.
Seems legit.
it is kinda funny how the librals completely forget their “seperation” when it comes to non christian religions.
Because in every dollar bill it is written “In Allah we trust”, right?
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O NOES WATCH OUT TL;DR POST!$@
You’re all ignorant and it doesn’t matter what you say/do to each other or anybody, including myself, and if you believe in anything, ANYTHING, including the belief that people shouldn’t believe in anything, because in the end you still die. What happens after that? LOL NOBODY KNOWS AND NOBODY CAN PROVE/DISPROVE IT. Were you there when the infinite space around us was created? Nope oh well can’t prove it. Try and prove me wrong, but any ‘facts’ you have are just the closest assumptions to the theory of creation itself and that’s only considered close because a majority of people agree with it. You’re pursuing idle things.
The human race in it’s entirety is just a mass of flesh who have learned nothing over the past however long we’ve been alive except four things, idiocy, love, hatred and the pursuit of knowledge.
So please all you butthurt Atheists, Christians, Agnostics or whatever you are, go ahead and argue with me in whatever way you like.
In the end, I’m right.
Because I said so and that’s what I think.
Therefor it must be right.
OOPS I JUST CREATED ANOTHER RELIGIO-
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I reserve the right not to tolerate the intolerant.
My mind. It just exploded.
This is the bottom line: people can be good with or without religion.
Good is not determined by a specific group(mostly) ex. dictatorship.
Supposed good things need to be explained with reason.
I am an atheist and a brony, and I really feel a greater social outlook from the latter, because athiesm isnt a dogma as some believe. Atheism is almost always terrible to admit to in public, and we are misreperesented by some Cristians and then others follow suit. this is how it works in america at least. Atheist are just now becoming more active because people are realizing that we are not this terrible group who commits only evil. people actually listen to atheist and learn their views. The thing that is the problem here is that The priviledges that christians once enjoyed that go against the constitution are being challenged, and they believe it to be an attack on their faith. IF ANY RELIGION did this, we would be angry, as the majority of people should. People dont want to research and learn about conflicting ideas and would rather accept claims that may be harmful.
LOVE AND TOLERANCE
Not having a definition for “good” is the most dangerous thing I’ve ever heard of. What if I think “good” is murder and rape? If you really are TOLERANT, you’d have to tolerate my beliefs and let me continue my murder spree.
Besides, I wouldn’t agree that “good” isn’t pre-determined. Almost every government and culture punish murder, because we recognize that there is something INHERENTLY wrong with taking away someone’s life. Same with theft. Animals don’t have this, but humans do: why? From an evolutionary, natural selection standpoint, morals make no sense. And yet we still have them. And for there to be a higher moral law, there must be a moral law GIVER.
Altruism. It existed long before Christianity.
1.- make an entry saying “christian”
2.- ???
3.- profit!
More like:
1. make an entry saying “Christian”
2. start flame war
3. watch the trolls come in for a lot of comments
I know how I’ll prove the idiot who made this wrong! By bashing on Christianity!
^this
^That
Lets try an experiment
Go to a college campus and speak it, or write an op-ed piece stating the following 2 points (whether you personally agree or not)
1: all priests are ‘kiddie diddlers”
2: all Muslim Clerics are killers
now both points are equally wrong… far from all, a fraction of a percent is probably rounding up in both cases
which article gets published, which speech gets shouted down as prejudiced, hateful, mean, etc
– That is what the image is saying…
A cartoonist was Killed for drawing a bomb in a turban in the last decade, this we know…I’m willing to bet it’s been a good Century since ‘The Church’ has ordered someone killed
“Silence isn’t always Golden… some times it’s just plain Yellow.”
You win this argument!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8076906.stm
But then again, so are most people.
Wow! So many views on this post and religion. I promise to throw in a few misspelled words for the grammar Nazis out there as well.
I was raised Catholic, until I reached the age of Reson, and pretty much figured out on my own that most religions are fraudulent excuses to bilk the general public out of their money by using fear and superiority.
Forr a while, I worshipped Xorkonn the Space God – who required bi-annual sacrifices of ice cream sandwiches and college students. That got old as the College students kept geting thrown back.
So I figure, WTF – Flying Spaghetti Monster FTW!!!
Praise our lord, the noodly one!!!
I’m Catholic, and am also completing a degree in Physiotherapy which is a completely ironic career for my faith . I abide by my own code of conduct that ensures I end up as a better human being than any other person who gallivants around with their pomp and subterfuge claiming a certain faith or collective people all commit evil or inhuman acts, which is such an astute preconceived notion coming from the safety of the internet .
I was born a Catholic to a strict Catholic family, and shall die as one, simply because I want to be a good father to my future kids who shall live in a f*cked up asylum built by a generation of malignity and rapid technological advancement which has spawned voluminous arguments regarding the authenticity of the Antidiluvian ..
^Comments section. . . TL;DR.
To those of you who have made it to this comment, I salute you. o7
Thank you. I salute you for realizing most are too long.
Read ALL THE COMMENTS! I did actually read every single comment above, and couldn’t help but laugh at every single one.
And just for sh*ts and gigs… I’m a Cradle-Catholic and have contemplated the priesthood.
Now children, continue the flame war – I DEMAND ENTERTAINMENT
why wont anyone belive in scientology?
</3 yous guise
Explain how the big bang happened. Not, that two atoms collided. That’s an effect. Tell me what caused the atoms to collide. …………take your time. …………….THERE’S YOUR ANSWER!
And the real reason for this argument, that I have heard before in so many ways, is that you hate the restrictive oppressive religion you know. The other ones don’t seem so bad because you don’t live under them…
Now back to the actual purpose of banning religion from the state and public, leaving it to the personal space!
Banning something just because you don’t like it is ignorant.
He did not say to completely ban it, just from the state and public.
I don’t much care for black people.
^^^All of this^^^
I don’t want to start a fight, but nearly every atheist I’ve talked to has a superiority complex, constantly talking to me about it, and constantly telling me that anyone that doesn’t believe what he/she believes is retarded and illogical.
I’ve lost friends over this.
And to be fair, yes, some religious people are like this, but it seems to me that the overwhelming majority of atheists constantly try to force their views down your throat to the point you just don’t wanna be around them.
How are you being fair? How many atheists have you actually talked to? Is your sample size really big enough to make overarching generalities about atheists, because I seriously doubt that it is. I could say based on my experiences with religious people that the overwhelming majority of them want to force their views down your throat, but I know that’s not the case because I haven’t spoken with enough religious people to make that generalization.
How is pointing out that TLK is making unfair generalities having a superiority complex? My issue is that TLK’s assumptions could be affecting how he treats other people. Could it be that this person’s friends were sick of being treated like they had had a superiority complex or were forceful jerks, rather than having their opinions respectfully listened to and considered? Maybe the problem was with them, but the thing is, I don’t know enough about them to make that assumption. I have issues when people have negative attitudes and assumptions about large groups of people, because those assumptions tend to translate into actions in the way those groups are treated.
400th
Only 400 butthur- I mean comments? Come on guys, when you insulted the atheists we made it to like 3,000. Work a little harder!
That’s because 2,600 of them got trolled out of here, because they think that everything is to be taken seriously.
Wow, so much noise over nothing. LOL
Do you people know difference between RELIGION and CHURCH? Nearly all arguments why this or that religion is bad are based on respective church’s doings.
As said in this thread, it is good to have one, as long as you don’t go around showing off and raping peoples brains. What about church (no matter witch one) – it is just a tool to use peoples beliefs to gain profit and power. Long story short – believe what you will, I’ll do the same.
The only ‘religion’ or, maybe, belief I would approve can be put to this sentence – “live your life in a manner that does not harm others in any way”. That is what ALL religions are about. ALL the churches are about power, imho.
Peace
I cannot believe you are sad enough to correct one another’s spelling. The Absolute Hack…
I love how all ‘bad argument hippie’ pics always spawn this ridiculous number of comments (cause most people posting here are bad argument hippies and they take offense to being criticized).
It would be nice to come on here and not see Chirstians and Athiests argueing about who is more wrong. Even the stupid nonsensical comments of “First!” are less annoying than these stupid fights. Maybe everyone loses when you start belittleing other people’s beliefs, no matter what they are. None of you are going to change any minds on an internet forum.
TL;DR: Stop fignting, you are all idiots.
It’s really annoying when people complain about the comment fights over religion. No one is making you read them. If you don’t like it, simply scroll over. Problem solved.
I can’t believe people still argue about how the universe started on the internet. It was a long time ago, why does it matter what happens anymore?
” It was a long time ago, why does it matter what happens anymore?”
Please check your grammar and try again….
…I tolerate christianity until their believers get in my face about being pro gay rights, pro choice, atheist, and lose moraled or however you would use that description . Or when they try to get my four year old cousin over involved in religion…..considering she can’t spell two-syllable words, I really don’t think she should be influenced into anything yet (not even atheism, though I’m tempted) until she understands what it entails.
I’m pro-gay rights, pro-choice, and a follower of Christ. I seriously doubt that any Christians have ever gotten into your face or tried to influence your niece. Someone probably just handed you a tract one time and you viewed that as shoving Christianity down your throat.
And I tolerate Atheists until the get in my face about being pro-life, Catholic, and maintaining conservative morals. I think that if I have done nothing to another, they should do nothing to me.
I believe you have proved to magpie that there are good and bad on both sides.
If you’ve made it to this post – cookie for you. Your scrolling finger must be quite sore. @_@
You don’t even know. People need to learn to calm the f*ck down, it was a meme, and a lot of them were trolling.
Also all of you need to learn some tolerance, religion aside, being a good person to others is an important moral.
F*ckin hippies
For this bad argument hippie meme, you
should do one about how they are against money,
but then spend hundreds of dollars on clothes that look “home-made.”
My city is full of these fake young hipster hippies. It’s disgusting.
They act all free and sh*t, but really they have all the comforts
in the world because their parents are rich asses.
(from Colorado Springs — speaking of the many students of Colorado College) x
Don’t forget the trust fund hippies in Boulder.
From CO Springs too, 2nd that
9000+ Internets to you good sir.
I think the ammount of butthurt-getting-nowhere-ness in every single religion post on memebase is evidence enough that it is entirely pointless to argue about. It nerf’s itself every time, and at the end (when people get bored) they just go away even angrier and it starts over somewhere else.
I really just came here to post this: why are there no mass effect memes here? There’s a lot floating about the interwebs, just waitng to be collated into one section hee on the base. There, now almost 600 peoppe have seen this.
This is why I denounced Christianity, these comments from arrogant Christians thinking they’re the biggest victims in America.
It’s terrible when ANYONE is discriminated for being a part of any religion, but Christians are 78% of America, you’re far from a minority. Prove yourself to NOT be a stereotype, and the few who do disrespect you will realize their mistakes.
Complaining however will just make it worse.
Also I’m agnostic, not atheist.
If you are turned off to a religion because of the people you are not really looking at the religion are you?
Memebase users:
“A true Muslim would NEVER use a suicide bomb.”
“A Christian killed an abortion doctor? There’s a religion that needs to be banned.”
A TRUE Christian wouldn’t murder anyone. While it’s terrible that we kill millions of unborn annually, a true Christian would know that killing a doctor would be just as bad as aborting a baby.
So when someone kills an abortionists and claims to be doing “God’s work”, he’s deceiving himself and truly isn’t.
Just FYI my man:)
That was my point.
Is it just me, or is the bad argument hippe a typical memebase user?
^ This.
She/he (still not sure on the gender) is! And most of the people at my college.
Three words: Gay People rights.
Gay people still have rights. They’re still alive, Right? they can still live in the same house right? they can make out in public, right? Its like pooping in bushes, we don’t really care that much, just don’t show me your wiener and we’ll only frown upon it.
“They’re still alive, Right?” Some are not
“they can make out in public, right?” Did you read that link i posted about how some homophobic christians helped kick-start a anti gay bill in Uganda? And how, if that bill passed, gay people could be sentenced to death? And how a lesbian was raped, impregnated, and infected with AIDS so she could be “cured”?
“we don’t really care that much” YOU don’t care, several others do, and they identified themselves with (guess what) christianism.
I just noticed that i put most of what i say in question form. Dammit i do stupid things sometimes.
Majority =/= Entirety.
Majority represents the whole.
Athiests/agnostics/general people not belonging to a particular religion: how many of you would be ok with simply shutting down the christian church? How many would be ok with shuttung down all houses of worship? Would you be ok if schools started teaching against the concept of god to protect our children from ignorance?
Changing from one extreme to the other would do no good to anyone.
You win!
phew! made it to the bottom eventually.
six hundred and twentieth!!!!!11!!!!!!!!eleven!
Actually, Jeish people have had the most bashing. In the Middle East, in Asia, everywhere. They just want to live in peace on the 3rd TINIEST COUNTRY IN THE MIDDLE EAST. And no one can stand to even let them have that.
I’m a Christian. Yes, MOST Liberals dislike Christianity. But God, can we please leave Jewish people in peace!!!
Every human being is simply a reflection of their past experiences and human interactions. You act in retrospect, instinctively, and subconsciously 95% of the time. Almost nothing you say or do, is original. For the most part you are a product of your past, just like everyone else. Everyone and everything is interconnected to everyone and everything else. Almost every action, almost every word, and almost every thought. Now, having said that…
You Christian, yes you. Let’s say that YOU were born in… say… Iran, around 1987. Let’s say that you were born to devout Muslim parents. (very likely) Let’s say that you grew up being a Muslim, since your peers are Muslim, your mom is Muslim, your dad, your sisters, your teachers, your local sheep herder, and so on and so forth. Now, let’s say a suicide bomber in some Muslim group that happens to be extremist, blows you up in the local market. You die, and it turns out *gasp* The God of the Bible is the true God. Naturally, your brainwashed Muslim ass is going to hell. Sucks to be you, you silly victim of circumstance.
So, Christian, how is it just for the Muslim you to go to hell? You were subject to an environment that churned you out into a devout Muslim. You may say that you were deceived… But, how is it the fault of the deceived for being deceived. That’s ludicrous. Would you beat your children for being kidnapped? Or to take it a step further, burn them in a lake of fire? Was it your fault for your upbringing?
The human mind is an amazing thing. You should REALLY look into how it works. If you strongly, wholeheartedly believe in an idea, you will manifest a life that reinforces your paradigm. Do you think those Muslims believe a bunch of hot air? Or do you think they have a reason to believe, like you think you do? Look into what thoughts do to plants, or to water. Look into how people have been cured of cancer from placebo effects, where they believed they were taking a cure, but it was nothing but a fake pill. Look into how no matter where you are in the universe, it always seems like it originates from your observation point. Look into the observer effect on sub atomic particles.
You are a creative force that’s ENSLAVED by ideas and labels. Everyone is, in one way or another. ALL organized religions enslave your creative ability. ALL ideas create a box for you to operate in.
Am i saying God isn’t real? Absolutely not. But, I’m pointing out logical fallacies. You can’t send a single person to hell, without sending the rest with him because of our weblike existence. You cant judge one, without judging the human organism as a whole.
Don’t be a slave to labels. Human beings are much more than they think.
What was that thing Julius Caesar said? “Divide and conquer.” I’d say its working very well today.
^^^^This^^^^^. Absolutely this, 100% this. Here, take all the internets you deserve them.
It has to do with Special Revelation (knowing Jesus) or General Revelation (the fact you know something exists, or revelation through nature etc etc).
You hear Christians spouting “Christ is the only way!” all the time, but they are actually wrong.
There’s are chapters in Romans (I think chapters 1-5 really) that address general revelation.
This being said, no, just because one isn’t Christian doesn’t mean he/she is going to Hell.
There are* lol
But isn’t Christianity a Satanic Cult??? I am very confused now :S
Atheists: I’m pretty sure spontaneous generation was disproved some 600 years ago. Just saying.
Get ready for ANOTHER 700 comments!
*Sigh*….that’s the kind world we live in, unfortunately. When you take God out of any equation it’s going to fail.
“Jesus answered, ‘I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” – John 14:6
*Sigh*….that’s the kind world we live in, unfortunately. When you put God out of any equation it’s going to fail.
“Meaningless passage” – Fairytale 666:69
I herped when i shoud have derped.
*Sigh*….that’s the kind world we live in, unfortunately. When you put God into any equation it’s going to fail.
“Meaningless passage” – Fairytale 666:69
Tell me what religion you follow so I can make fun of you!
Would you like that? answer me honestly!
Oh yeah, that news story last month where a Christian in Iowa set an Atheist on fire for not believing in–wait, that didn’t happen?
I know it’s far too late to do any good. I read most of the comments, but there’s just too much to read every word of every post, especially when large chunks of it are repetitions of the same thing over and over on both sides.
I have no issue with Christianity when practiced responsibly. I have issue with people who call themselves Christian and then act in evil ways. Unfortunately, I’ve had to deal with far too many of them to be able to view Christians without prejudice. Because of the very vocal actions of others who call themselves by the same label you do, when I know very little about you and you profess yourself to be Christian, I am going to suspect you of evil intent. There are plenty of non-venomous spiders and snakes, but I’m not going to let random spiders and snakes bite me.
As a kid, I went to church. Every week I was told about how various people are going to Hell for whatever reason. It never really made sense, it always just felt wrong. If God loves us, why are we put in Hell for eternity, with no recourse, no chance of learning from mistakes, simply for making choices He doesn’t agree with? I could never get a satisfying answer to that, and so I stopped going to church. I just couldn’t believe. And so I don’t. But others can believe, and I have no issue with that. I have issue when I am told that I must believe, because they want me to.
I’m a programmer. In order to be a programmer, you need a solid foundation in logic, and discipline of thought. Science appeals to me because it doesn’t require faith. “This is what we’ve seen. From this, we made this theory about how stuff came about. We can’t prove the theory, at least not yet, but so far this meshes with what we’ve seen. Here’s how you can see what we’ve seen for yourself.” It seems that religious people are quick to bash science whenever they feel like it. “Evolution is just a theory! You can’t teach it as if it were fact!” They never seem to want to look into the meaning of words. In science, “theory” has a specific definition which includes not contradicting observed evidence. There’s a monumental amount of evidence that supports evolution, which also contradicts the idea of Creationism, in the form of fossil records. Personally, I point to dog breeds as proof that evolution, as described in the Theory, works. Instead of being selected purely by their environment, they were selected by man, but traits that were “advantageous” were selected and propagated.
A rather hot issue in the current age is gay marriage. That is, allowing homosexual couples the right to marriage. It’s argued that this would somehow “destroy the sanctity of marriage”. Yet celebrities can marry, get divorced in two months, and this is perfectly acceptable. Really, though, the main point that seems to be lost in this argument is this: Marriage is more than a religious construct. Marriage is also part of the government. Homosexuals want access to the government part of marriage, the kind that laws reference. “Gay marriage” doesn’t mean that churches will be legally forced to wed homosexual couples, it means that there is a method by which a homosexual couple can have access to the same rights, privileges, freedoms, and protections that heterosexual couples can. When you grant rights to one group and not to another, that is discrimination, and that’s what the issue is about. It is not, and should not be, an issue of religious debate. Unfortunately, Christians choose to enforce discrimination purely because they believe homosexuality to be “wrong”. If Christians are really just worried about the term “marriage” being somehow sullied, then why do they oppose “civil unions”, which was the attempt to make it a purely governmental issue?
An oft-repeated argument I have been subjected to involves the burden of proof. Because I choose not to believe in God and the Bible, I am told I must provide proof as to why He does not exist. I’m actually quite surprised that this was not mentioned once in all the comments before me, so I’m just going to leave this here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russel%27s_Teapot (See also: Invisible Pink Unicorn.) To me, a person telling me to prove God does not exist is defending a teapot and getting upset that I choose not to share their belief, even though I am in no way preventing them from believing in the teapot.
I know this post is a bit on the “too long; didn’t read” side of things, so I’ll just toss this last bit in to ignite the trolling, and wrap things up. Furries. They’re an easy target to bash, after all, right? After all, they’ve got a vocal minority doing bad things, therefore all furries must be bad people, right? I mean, there’s that one guy that has sex with his dog, so all furries must be doing it, right? Sure, every so often, you get one that claims that he’s a furry, but he doesn’t molest animals, or believe himself to be an animal in spite of evidence to the contrary, or persecute homosexuals based on their religious beliefs, but clearly he’s just the exception. The only one. …If you saw what I did there, pat yourself on the back. To those who didn’t, I just compared furries to Christians, and showed how both are examples where people doing bad things has left the entire group with a negative reputation. (Normally, I’d save that last bit to give people a chance to see it for themselves, but to be honest, I don’t really expect to come back to see any replies to this. It’s a post on a religious topic, I’m not going to convert people, and I’m not trying to. My only hope is that I can open the eyes of someone to the similarities in front of them, and enable them to make their own decisions instead of mindlessly repeating the words of others.)
Good day.
”Specially causes it’s correct, and I don’t want to be proven wrong.”
http://www.persecution.org/ethiopiacrisis/
Excuse me Morlock, but I believe that you’ve been proven wrong.
^this
Now I’m really offended. Seriously! I admit that some things in the Bible don’t make too much sense but all religions have those kinds of nonsenses. If you really want to play that kind of game than be prepared. I can bet that nobody who ever made bad memes about christanity don’t have enough guts to make some about other religions. Have a great f*cking night
That’s why it’s called “Bad Argument Hippie”.
emphasis on “Bad Argument”
Guys, listen to me, the christian. I do not blame the atheists for bashing us, since we were short-minded in the past AND a few of us are still now. I believe we should KEEP EVERYTHING TO OURSELVES! Too many conflicts have risen because of thinking they’re religion deserves special treatment.
That is, what I believe, a solution to many conflicts, like the middle east.
If one likes to use the “shoving religion down other people’s throats” argument, then they must take into account that Christian’s truly believe that those who do not accept Christ as their Lord and Savior will be eternally damned, and if I was an atheist, I would at least like to know that my Christian friends do not want to see me punished forever in hell after death.