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Wouldn’t it be, “…and HAD SPOKEN English long enough…”?
Why is it a “verbal modifier”? Do you know what a modifier is?
It’s modifying the verb “use.”
katybear 1
Emo troll? 0
You be stupid.
No, it should be “have spoken.” As Black-Haired Girl is still alive and still speaking English, she should use the present perfect tense.
OMIGOD! WHO THE HELL CARES?!
I disagree. She was referring to her past experience of talking english so it should be “had”.
The present perfect tense is used to refer to past experiences. We say, “Have you ever been to Amsterdam?”
No, that wouldn’t make sense. It is “have spoken.”
She’s not referring to the past, she’s referring to both the past and present. She’s pretty much saying “You’ve known the language your whole entire life” she’s till alive and still speaks it so it should be “have spoken.” It would be “had” only if the girl does not speak English anymore.
No, it’s subjunctive mode. It’s merely “spoke”, it’s correct as it is in the original jpg.
No, this is Patrick.
NO THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!aAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
have?
you mean stupified?
I need to memorize this.
I second this
Thirded.
Forth’d
this is a poorly written forth and i will tell you why.
Then do it.
Who cares? Fifthed.
Sixth-ed!
Oh, candy?
Skittles this snickers lemon in its drops, milkdud
I HAD to try that.
Poorly forth written?
What you mean do?
i’m aawesome
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Forever a Stone
So now we’re just copying and pasting things directly from Reddit?
Some of us only come HERE, and don’t have 1.538.496 other sites that we check on every day.
*1,538,496
Actually, If this particular person was from Europe; 1.538.496 would be correct. They use them opposite of the United States.
Not in the UK, math fail!!
JustinisBored and incorrect, somewhat. The English language universally uses “.” as a decimal and “,” as a place holder. In almost every other Indo-European language (because languages that aren’t English do exist), this convention is indeed reversed. The United States’ lingual conventions are rarely unique and original, yet the residents automatically assume that if it’s done like that in the US, they’ve invented it.
The entire rant was ruined by the phrase “that was my bad.” Sorry, but if you’re going to be a Grammar Nazi, using slang phrases makes you sound dumb.
I don’t see how that’s the case. Using “can” in this form is technically slang as well, it’s just been used long enough to not entirely be seen as that. Of course, you’re just another butt-hurt troll, so I shouldn’t expect anything more from you.
Yep, you nailed the butthurt troll.
she wasn’t being a grammar nazi, the other one was
boom! roasted!
Mmmmm Pot Roast….
Mmm, pot…
They both are. Keep your roast.
narp, and narp
i thought the same thing at first, but i think she’s just fighting fire with fire, and isn’t really a grammar nazi. you have to admit, it’s still pretty funny.
I admit nothing. I’m just looking for consistency.
Kevin Bacon was too in Footloose! He was on the cover of People magazine!
… and you’re looking on THE INTERNET for it?
hi welcome to the world where there’s this thing called irony it’s pretty cool
I think you should have used the bathroom prior to your statement, or else you may have to piss yourself after being kicked out of where you were at.
*”…where you were.” or “…where you were,.” Both are acceptable as neither ends in a preposition which, generally speaking, is incorrect grammar.
No katybear you don’t need the “had” for it to work. Besides IMO, saying “had spoken” would imply that she no longer does.
BTW Black hair girl rules! way to own someone with words lol
The use of ‘were’ sets tense, as I read it, so I think you need HAD for consistency, which would then necessitate ‘spoken’ to be grammatically proper. But what do I know. Nobody is perfect.
I am pretty sure that the use of “were” is indicating the use of the subjunctive mood indicating judgement.
Quite.
My God, that’s my eighth-grade English teacher. She did the same thing, and if you said “can” instead of “may,” she wouldn’t let you go the rest of the day.
you should’ve gone in her purse.
*mouth
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+100
We must have had the same teacher!
This is when you say “Oh, so I can.” and walk out
yes civil disobedience is always the right course of action
THEY ONLY HAVE POWER IF YA LET THEM HAVE IT ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHH
do what you want coz a pirate is free
Isn’t that a form of abuse?
Our English teacher would just require we ask her in English and would let you go wether we used formal/polite ”may” or normal ”can”.
The phrase was written on a huge poster on the wall, lol.
THANK YOU FOR SUCCINCTLY EXPRESSING WHAT I HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO SAY.
The troll is just using englo-babble (like techno-babble, but with the english language) to confuse her opponent. “May” is indeed the proper usage.
But if you get asked this question, providing the englo-babble answer is going to confuse the hell out of most people anyways.
“May” IS proper usage. So is “can”. Live with it.
It’s funny that the guy above complains about a well explained linguistic concept, unable to understand it, while at the same time thinks he’s qualified to tell others the proper way to speak.
Lrn2Dictionary.
Connotation ≠ Denotation. Live with it.
When I first read this comic, I had to google like mad because it didn’t sound right. I thought that verbal modifiers would…you know…involve VERBALS. (For those who don’t know what verbals are, they’re when verbs are used as other parts of speech. For example, “Skiing is fun” is using a verbal (skiing) as a noun.) “Can” is a helping verb, NOT a verbal.
…this joke seems kinda wasted on people who don’t know English well…
Actually the correct term describing “Skiing” in the above use is “gerund”
TL;DR
You missed out on alot.
http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html
I missed out on that alot, aswell! :’C
I love you.
i hate u alot
How dare you call yerself Lurkur then!!!!!!!!eleven!!!!
I am such dissapointment in you…
….
She’s like the Incredible Hulk, bursting out of her Derpina shell as a mean, green trolling machine.
this is my bio teacher.
one time I actually did say “may I?” and she still said “I dunno, can you?”
annoying.
This is actually funnier than the comic.
Then answer her “I can, but whether I may or not is, by default, determined by the teacher. By saying you don’t know, you are admitting you don’t even know how to say yes or no”
This is quite jizzworthy.
To the rest of us prescriptivists, she is still wrong.
^
A linguist describes. A politician prescribes.
Great. Now go find someone who gives a tinker’s damn what prescriptivists think.
Holy manatee, her bow appears and disappears! It’s a magic bow!
Just like Troll Dad’s hat!
troll girl is chinese?
Why can’t she be?
Well, for one, she’s not saying “Ting tong ling long ching ghong.”
At least that what the UCLA Asian Studies Department claims.
Rule 16
Miss Trollface is still wrong. Although “can” has become accepted as a form of asking permission, strict grammar still demands “may.” Basically, “can” is informal, while “may” is formal (or polite).
/Grammar Nazi
we dont spek ol` engrish here
And what evidence do you have that the speakers were at a formal occasion?
Additionally, the comma between the first and second “that” should be a period. Poor grammar and usage. Bah!
Or at the very least a semicolon.
your second comment is a sentence fragment.
also run-on sentences are like totally epic, like man
This was made by girls!
Does anyone else fap to that girl troll? Cuz I dunno, she’s kinda hot.
People are worried about being grammatically correct on a site with cats that butcher the english language with a chainsaw lol.
…..thats different!! (runs away before I can be proven wrong)
You forgot the apostrophe in that’s!!!1111
Yeah, but they’re cutesy pie with it.
”secondary modal form” is a perfectly understandable way to explain how ”can” was used in the question. You are an idiot.
Can is perfectly fine. Try moar your ragetrip to fight against the real norm : what people speak.
wikipedia: wiki/English_modal_verb#Can_and_could
You all can decide what to think.
Since it’s going to go in moderation I’ll just say this:
“Whether the auxiliary verb can can be used to express permission or not — “Can I leave the room now?” ["I don't know if you can, but you may."] — depends on the level of formality of your text or situation. As Theodore Bernstein puts it in The Careful Writer, “a writer who is attentive to the proprieties will preserve the traditional distinction: can for ability or power to do something, may for permission to do it.
The question is at what level can you safely ignore the “proprieties.” Merriam-Webster’s Dictionary, tenth edition, says the battle is over and can can be used in virtually any situation to express or ask for permission. Most authorities, however, recommend a stricter adherence to the distinction, at least in formal situations.”
TL&DR
“Can” is acceptable, but “may” should be preferred in formal situations.
This is like MILKY WAYing at some normal person for calling a pistol a “gun” when technically only cannon over a certain size qualify for that term.
The precise jargon wasn’t called for, so the jargon wasn’t used… and the only ones butthurt about it are the trolls.
That was so annoying and opressive starting now I ain’t gonna try no more bettering English. Be proud, grammar-nazi. The resistance, it iz starthed!
The black haired pwner looks like iCarly
Using big words doesn’t make you right…
interesting. neither phrases “secondary modal form” or “verbal modifier” seem to be actual linguistic devices..
She’s using jargon that makes sense, but they aren’t actual linguistic terms. ‘Can’ acts as a modal verb (that it, a verb that modifies the sentence’s modality), as a secondary function compared to the main use as a modal verb that marks a different kind of modality.
And for the prescriptivist grammar people: languages evolve, get over yourselves. That or I demand you start correctly using thou/you, and while you’re at it pronounce them correctly to rhyme with ‘no’.
Some girl put this on Yahoo Answers yesterday as a question of whether or not it was talking back to her teacher. I called her on stealing it, and she deleted her question 10 seconds later
She should have replied to the outburst with “turns out you can’t use the toilet, how about that?”.
MOUNDS asian trolls…
English doesn’t have secondary forms of Modal verbs.
This is unfunny trash that is corroding this once-funny website. It’s stuff like this that reduces the cheezburger network to the sad little copypasta bucket it is today. Remember when it was good? I do. This was once a truly great frontier of a website, with every single update being met with extreme positive feedback, when failblog was simply new to the world, and before Memebase was even a concept. But now, dread is what is created with the news of each new page that is put up. Why in god’s name is there a creepy santas page? Who actually thinks that’s funny? And an easter bunny page? What the hell is this, chuck-e-cheese? Cheezburger network must be restored to it’s former glory, or the ongoing recession it’s experiencing into bandwith-wasting internet trash, like so many other awful blogsites is imminent. [ u mad ]
its former*
You forgot the apostrophe from “it’s”.
; D
And thought she was explaining her grammer quite well, she misspelled -it’s- when she said it.
Too bad “my bad” is improper grammar. 8I
tl;dr
You lost the game.
So… does anyone else think the Chick Troll Face is hot?
…No? Just me?
kinda looks like me and i do get that a lot lol
even today some guy told me i had a nice ass three times when i walked by
he was begging for change tho too X[
No, no. “My bad” is absolutely right, in terms of discourse strategy. She changed the register so as not to sound a complete nerd and win the other girl in yet another possible terrain. She nailed it.
I think that TehBeast has some serious perverted problems.
MEOW.
I have to remember this! This always happens to me. If I say “You have to do it like this”, people say “I don’t have to do anything” or something. I’m not explaining this very well but do any grammar nazis know how I can explain to people the difference between you (personal) and you (general as a synonym to ‘one’)? I think I just answered my own question there but any fancy jargon would be appreciated!
I hate this one. This version of can is not actual English, it is the modern slang term for asking permission. All she is really saying is that “modern slang is wrong but I use it anyways” and therefore is no troll.
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hey that trollface has my hair cut